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re: Ohio State is only getting consideration because of their name
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:58 am to buckeye_vol
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:58 am to buckeye_vol
Plus Wisconsins 2 biggest wins were on neutral sites if they beat penn st. 3 out of the 4 top 8 matchups for Ohio St came on the road. 2 of the road teams both were coming off byes giving them 2 weeks to prepare for Ohio st.
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:00 pm to MrBiriwa
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Ohio State is going to get in, but I don't think they deserve it.
I've got only one issue with OSU getting into the CFP. PSU will likely be left out even if they win the conference, so there is a possibility that OSU could be the national champions without being their division champions AND without avenging that loss.
The few times in history that a team got in without winning their conference/division, they lost. The only exception to my knowledge is Alabama, and they beat the team that won their division/conference.
Having a NC that cannot claim their division or conference championship in college football just doesn't sit well with me.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:02 pm to slackster
You sweat technicalities over substance
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:04 pm to slackster
I know this is dumb, but it should be pointed out that Ohio State won the division as co-champ. They lost a tiebreaker to play in the Conference Championship game. To say they lost their division is false.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:10 pm to slackster
That's EXACTLY how I feel.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:10 pm to slackster
quote:Just last year, Arkansas had a 0.1% chance of beating Ole Miss given their 4th and 25 in OT down 7.
Having a NC that cannot claim their division or conference championship in college football just doesn't sit well with me.
Yet they converted a miraculous 4th and 25, score a TD a few plays later, got a penalty call on a failed 2-pt attempted, then converted the second attempt to win.
So if any of those improbable events hadn't occured, Alabama would have lost the division. Would the eventual National Champions have been undeserving of a playoff stop because of some crazy events in a separate game?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:12 pm to Klendathu
Leery of calling tOSU a lock.
Brad Edwards(best IMO) said that in the end nobody knows how they will individually vote and Buckeyes shouldn't trust them.
Brad Edwards(best IMO) said that in the end nobody knows how they will individually vote and Buckeyes shouldn't trust them.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:17 pm to buckeye_vol
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So if any of those improbable events hadn't occured, Alabama would have lost the division. Would the eventual National Champions have been undeserving of a playoff stop because of some crazy events in a separate game?
No, but this "separate game" argument is weak. The only reason Alabama got in after they lost to Ole Miss is because of the results of other games. If Clemson, Stanford, Michigan State, and Oklahoma go undefeated, Alabama could have been left out.
Again, my only concern is that PSU wins the conference and OSU wins the playoff. I don't have a problem with Wisconsin winning and getting left out. I don't really have a problem with PSU winning and getting left out either. I just don't like the way it looks if OSU ends up winning it all. Frankly, I don't believe that is likely anyway.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:21 pm to cattus
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Brad Edwards(best IMO) said that in the end nobody knows how they will individually vote and Buckeyes shouldn't trust them.
But the committee chair has said those 2 teams are not close in their eyes as of last Tuesday. The only thing that has changed is OSU got another top 5 win, and PSU won a home game by 40 (they looked damn good I'll admit). So that would mean the chasm grew based on the committee metrics. Is that chasm all of a sudden going to disappear based on a game against a team ranked lower than the team OSU beat last weekend? I don't see it (I could absolutely be wrong and will eat crow)
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:27 pm to slackster
quote:Yet, we know they were the best team--which the objective computer models showed--regardless of the crazy events that were outside of their control.
No, but this "separate game" argument is weak. The only reason Alabama got in after they lost to Ole Miss is because of the results of other games
And if we only focus on a conference tiebreaker, while disregarding the rest of the season--ESPECIALLY the non-conference--then we've reduced an already small sample to a single game or two.
And if conference championships are that important, then we need to get rid of non-conference games altogether.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:28 pm to Buckeye06
You don't have to preface your statement. There will be no crow to eat next Sunday for you or anyone else on the correct side of this argument.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:36 pm to Buckeye06
It was stated that in the end metrics could be put aside and they could go "old school" and put a conference champion in.
On metrics, Edwards said he felt silly saying it but that the Temple and Oklahoma games could be huge. This was all said last week. He knows his shite.
On metrics, Edwards said he felt silly saying it but that the Temple and Oklahoma games could be huge. This was all said last week. He knows his shite.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:04 pm to gobuxgo5
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There will be no crow to eat next Sunday for you or anyone else on the correct side of this argument.
What is the correct side? Is OSU one of the best 4 teams in the country? Sure.
Are they going to be crowned the best team in the Big 10? No.
That is an issue with this system, but OSU has to get in, mainly because their replacements would be a bigger farce.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:05 pm to cattus
And "old school" metric would losing by 38 points fricks you
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:20 pm to Klendathu
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I know this is dumb, but it should be pointed out that Ohio State won the division as co-champ. They lost a tiebreaker to play in the Conference Championship game. To say they lost their division is false.
So your saying they lost the division?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:25 pm to taylork37
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After getting beat by Pitt and manhandled by Michigan?
Ohio State fans want to call Penn State out for their losses, but isn't it even worse to lose to the same team you are criticizing for getting blown out? If Penn State is that bad, you had no business losing to them.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:30 pm to goldennugget
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But why does that even matter?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:30 pm to MrBiriwa
Not really. Penn State had 10 days to prepare for a home game at night against OSU. They won by a fluke play. Most teams don't go undefeated and we had just beat another team in Madison after THEY also had 10 days to prepare for a home night game as well.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:30 pm to MrBiriwa
Ohio State has the second best record in the power 5.
This is a dumb thread.
This is a dumb thread.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:43 pm to Geauxgurt
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The point is lack of winning your division
They did win the division. What they lost is the tie breaker.
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