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re: OFFICIAL PSU-Sandusky Thread -- NYT reporting JoPa on way out soon
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:57 pm to Walt OReilly
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:57 pm to Walt OReilly
The way I see it, Joe Pa did what he should have done in immediately notifying his bosses. But why didn't he take it farther than that? You have a moral responsibility to get the police involved in it or at least follow up and make sure your boss handles it correctly.
I hate that Joe Paterno's legendary career will come down to him being ousted over a disgusting scandal like this. But not only did he take it to his boss and then just carry on with his own business, he not just left the door open, but took the door off the fricking hinges to allow Sandusky to continue his behavior. Its unfortunate because I want to gi ve Joe Pa the benefit of the doubt that he's a good person but he put his friend and the image of his program above doing what was right.
I hate that Joe Paterno's legendary career will come down to him being ousted over a disgusting scandal like this. But not only did he take it to his boss and then just carry on with his own business, he not just left the door open, but took the door off the fricking hinges to allow Sandusky to continue his behavior. Its unfortunate because I want to gi ve Joe Pa the benefit of the doubt that he's a good person but he put his friend and the image of his program above doing what was right.
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:57 pm to BilJ
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that it possibly leads me to believe he didn't truly know
you are smarter than this Bilj. Joe had to let him go years before (surprise retirement)for accusations he molested a kid. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining outside.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:57 pm to Nittany Lion
quote:In other words, we are going to fire him, but we have to go through the appropriate process or we are going to have an employment law suit to defend on top of the rest of this shite that we are going to have to deal with.
said the board had not made any formal decision
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:57 pm to Cold Pizza
PSU put its reputation ahead of doing the right thing in '98 thinking it would just go away. How arrogant is that???
If PSU/Joe Pa come forward in '98:
1. They would still look bad but they could plead ignorance
2. THey still would be subject to lawsuits but as stated above they could plead ignorance so payouts wouldn't be as big
3. They could salvage their legacy and reputations
Now...
1. Can't plead ignorance so ALL criticism is warranted
2. They will be financially crippled with lawsuits and will be found liable
3. PSU and JP will from now on be affiliated with sodomizing children
If PSU/Joe Pa come forward in '98:
1. They would still look bad but they could plead ignorance
2. THey still would be subject to lawsuits but as stated above they could plead ignorance so payouts wouldn't be as big
3. They could salvage their legacy and reputations
Now...
1. Can't plead ignorance so ALL criticism is warranted
2. They will be financially crippled with lawsuits and will be found liable
3. PSU and JP will from now on be affiliated with sodomizing children
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:58 pm to Tiger Ryno
Sandusky was with the Second Mile until 2010 right? So i would think it's not a out of ordinary thing for him to be with a child... at least to those who had zero knowledge of what was going on. But how many years was this after the 2002 incident? IT was a bit,.... this whole thing is crazy.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:58 pm to Pilot Tiger
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yea, I cant imagine even a hardened criminal reacting the way Joe did, he HAD to have been told something different
If not, he's rotten to the core
It's just extremely strange. At the very least Mccreary knew exactly what he saw and stood by while the sandursky continued to parade kids around the campus. He has no claim what so ever to ignorance.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:59 pm to Tiger Ryno
Anyone see any reports where a reporter has looked into his adoptions?
How many were boys? What ages were they when they were adopted? I worry that he has done this to them as well.
How many were boys? What ages were they when they were adopted? I worry that he has done this to them as well.
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:59 pm to Walt OReilly
quote:
i wouldnt mind hearing about players walking off the practice field with a big frick you to joe pa
Does JoePa even attend practices anymore? He sure doesnt do any gameday coaching. Looks half asleep in the press box, just another spectator.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:00 pm to Tiger Ryno
quote:
you are smarter than this Bilj. Joe had to let him go years before (surprise retirement)for accusations he molested a kid. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining outside.
But how do you continue to allow the guy on your campus WITH children? I just can't imagine having that knowledge and just turning a blind eye to it while seeing him with kids there.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:00 pm to Pilot Tiger
While all this is going on the ESPN Ad Department is working over time selling ads for ESPN. Crazy world we live in. Make money off this terrible story.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:00 pm to BilJ
quote:
quote:
yea, I cant imagine even a hardened criminal reacting the way Joe did, he HAD to have been told something different
If not, he's rotten to the core
It's just extremely strange. At the very least Mccreary knew exactly what he saw and stood by while the sandursky continued to parade kids around the campus. He has no claim what so ever to ignorance.
Don't see how JoPa could either, since it was brought directly to his attention.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:00 pm to BilJ
Joe would have done anything to protect his legacy and it appears he has. Sad.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:00 pm to BilJ
Joe Pa testified under oath that he knew something of sexual nature had happened. That's enough.
EVEN if he didn't quite know the exact extent (which I don't buy) he knew something occurred. And yet Sandusky still brought kids by.
EVEN if he didn't quite know the exact extent (which I don't buy) he knew something occurred. And yet Sandusky still brought kids by.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:00 pm to WDE24
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How many were boys? What ages were they when they were adopted? I worry that he has done this to them as well
I mentioned this earlier. I fear what has happened to them and likely many other children for 40 years or more.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Don't see how JoPa could either, since it was brought directly to his attention.
Maybe Joe Pa thought he was cleared due to nothing coming of the allegation?
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:02 pm to LfcSU3520
shite even putting morals aside how do your school's attorneys allow that liability onto its campus?
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:03 pm to BilJ
quote:
But how do you continue to allow the guy on your campus WITH children? I just can't imagine having that knowledge and just turning a blind eye to it while seeing him with kids there.
I'm sure his old buddy told him okay Joe, I wont' do it anymore. no harm no foul. do some research and you will find a disturbing trend of paterno's cavalier attitude toward rape---former players included and players of other teams. The man is not what he has been built up to be.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:03 pm to LfcSU3520
quote:That is the thing. His own testimony shows he had enough knowledge to be roasted. Not to mention that it appears he has attempted to mitigate his responsibility by telling obvious lies about the extent of his knowledge.
Joe Pa testified under oath that he knew something of sexual nature had happened. That's enough.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:03 pm to BilJ
quote:
It's just extremely strange. At the very least Mccreary knew exactly what he saw and stood by while the sandursky continued to parade kids around the campus. He has no claim what so ever to ignorance.
There's no way anyone can claim ignorance. If someone at your workplace had been caught molesting children AT WORK, no one would take action?!? I guarantee you every single person there knew what was going on. That's not the kind of thing you can keep hushed inside a workplace. No way.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:03 pm to WDE24
The complete timeline per CDT (Centre Daily Times...the local State College newspaper):
A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included.
Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors.
1969 — Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.
1977 — Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.
January 1983 — Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football’s national champion for the 1982 season.
January 1987 — Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football’s national champion for the 1986 season.
1994 — Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.
1994-95 — Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.
1995-96 — Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.
1996-97 — Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.
1996-98 — Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.
Jan. 1, 1998 — Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky’s wife, as a member of Sandusky’s family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.
1998 — Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.
Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6’s mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, “I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead.”
Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.
The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.
June 1999 — Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.
Dec. 28, 1999 — Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky’s wife, as a member of Sandusky’s family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.
Summer 2000 — Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.
Fall 2000 — A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.
Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8’s identity is unknown.
March 1, 2002 — A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.
March 2, 2002 — In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno’s home, where he reports what he has seen.
March 3, 2002 — Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.
March 2002 — Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.
March 27, 2002 (approximate) — The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky’s locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.
2005-2006 — Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.
Spring 2007 — During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.
Spring 2008 — Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy’s mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.
Early 2009 — An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.
September 2010 — Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.
Nov. 5, 2011 — Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.
Nov. 7, 2011 — Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.
Centre Daily Times
A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included.
Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors.
1969 — Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.
1977 — Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.
January 1983 — Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football’s national champion for the 1982 season.
January 1987 — Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football’s national champion for the 1986 season.
1994 — Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.
1994-95 — Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.
1995-96 — Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.
1996-97 — Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.
1996-98 — Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.
Jan. 1, 1998 — Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky’s wife, as a member of Sandusky’s family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.
1998 — Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.
Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6’s mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, “I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead.”
Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.
The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.
June 1999 — Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.
Dec. 28, 1999 — Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky’s wife, as a member of Sandusky’s family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.
Summer 2000 — Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.
Fall 2000 — A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.
Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8’s identity is unknown.
March 1, 2002 — A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.
March 2, 2002 — In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno’s home, where he reports what he has seen.
March 3, 2002 — Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.
March 2002 — Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.
March 27, 2002 (approximate) — The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky’s locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.
2005-2006 — Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.
Spring 2007 — During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.
Spring 2008 — Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy’s mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.
Early 2009 — An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.
September 2010 — Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.
Nov. 5, 2011 — Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.
Nov. 7, 2011 — Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.
Centre Daily Times
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