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Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:57 pm to
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:57 pm to
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Left-hander Andrew Oliver, considered one of the bright lights in the Detroit farm system a couple of years ago, was shipped off to Pittsburgh for minor league catcher Ramon Cabrera on Wednesday.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:02 pm to
They've made some addition to secure third....
Gomes is a platoon player, Napoli is 31 and while I think he improves from last year he won't ever hit like he did 2 seasons ago, big question with them is the returning players in Ortiz, Pedoria, Jacob, etc
Posted by schlow mo
New Orleans
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:04 pm to
39 Million over 3 years for Victorino is beyond dumb, and apparently the Indians offered 4/44 mil. I understand having money to spend but jesus.

Napoli is at least defensible. He hits for power and can play catcher at least part time.

Andy Oliver will be a good pickup for the pirates, he has premium arm strength. He has struggled finding the strike zone as many power lefties do. Being with the Pirates will give him a chance to try and find the zone in a less pressure packed environment.

ETA: Red Sox are trying to trade Ellsbury
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 5:06 pm
Posted by schlow mo
New Orleans
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:06 pm to
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They've made some addition to secure third


That division is a beast. Their starters are going to have to markedly improve for them to compete.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:16 pm to
Yanks will end up overpaying for mark reynolds
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:17 pm to
Maybe not they balked at 8 million a year for Keppinger.... Maybe a 1 year deal they over pay for but not multi year deal
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:23 pm to
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Yanks will end up overpaying for mark reynolds

Now I'm depressed.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:24 pm to
Yanks on a role player mission
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:34 pm to
They are running out of options
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:40 pm to
Well they want to get under the luxury tax so they trying to avoid the big multi year deals. Arod not being able to play is a good thing because if he misses 80% of season the Yanks have up to 80% of his contract insured.
Would give them some flexibility honestly
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:43 pm to
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Holding out for a three-year contract, Ryan Dempster turned down a two-year, $26 million deal from the Royals, according to the Kansas City Star’s Bob Dutton.

Posted by BRUNNIN4
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 6:00 pm to
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They are running out of options

They might be in talks with Texas about Michael Young. LINK
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:29 pm to
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Also, I may be in the minority, but I like what Boston is doing. Those short contracts aren't going to kill them. Napoli and Victorino are good clubhouse guys. They just need to add some pitching, and they have the resources to do it.


This. I feel like everyone is just towing the company line and ripping them. I really like it. Napoli and Victorino are really damn good ballplayers. 3 for $39 MM contracts will not kill them. They are made of money, why should they sit there and suck dick? Of course, they will need better pitching to be a top team, but I like their lineup.

When you are wealthy, you do not need to break it down and start all over like a mid-market club. There are multiple ways to rebuild.

I think Napoli will mash in Fenway. He takes walks and has elite power and can spray the ball. One of my favorite hitters in baseball. I think he could upwards of 35-40 bombs and an OPS that is around .900 if he gets a full season of plate appearances.

Baloo, Napoli is not that fat. He is definitely somewhat of a three-outcome hitter, but baseball-reference lists him at 6' and 215 pounds. He wears a jersey like eight sizes too large.
Posted by DEANintheYAY
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:35 pm to
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35-40 bombs


Really? I just don't see it.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:38 pm to
HR...Games Played
16...99
10...75
20...78
20...114
26...140
30...113
24...108


With a full season, the bolded numbers could have easily been 35+, or not, but it is entirely possible.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 7:39 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:42 pm to
Over the last 5 years he's averaged a HR every 14ABs.

If he gets 500 ABs he'll prob hit that. 600 would def put him there
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Member since Dec 2010
31061 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:45 pm to
Exactly. I know 2011 was a bit of aberration, but I think he averaged a homer for roughly every 12 AB's and 14 PA's.
Posted by DrVinnyBoombatz
Lubbock
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:52 pm to
There's a reason he hasn't played a full season....

He is fairly fragile. Love Napoli and he can go on a huge tear, but just like with Hamilton, expect him to miss at least 20 games.

His HR total will be about the same, Fenway doesn't provide him any advantage that RBiA did. Wish Texas would've kept him, but not for $13million a year.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:02 pm to
A 31 year old who hasn't played a full season and a 33 year old guy who regressed last year.... That has more to do with it than length. If both were a couple years younger fine but I doubt either magically finds fountain of youth. Although I do believe Napoli hits 30-35 home runs in Fenway
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:03 pm to
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Wish Texas would've kept him, but not for $13million a year.



If Geo Soto is still your catcher come June, you may be singing a different tune
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