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re: Official MLB Winter Meetings thread
Posted on 12/6/12 at 12:39 am to Vicks Kennel Club
Posted on 12/6/12 at 12:39 am to Vicks Kennel Club
I assumed he wasn't calling Napoli a speed guy 
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Posted on 12/6/12 at 12:44 am to Louie T
Yeah, I don't expect career years and Im sure the Red Sox won't either. But I expect them to play like borderline all stars. Id say 3 years if a perfect time frame to milk the rest of the skill out of these two. 5 years would be max. I think BOS is getting out at the perfect time.
Id say Napoli hits between 20-25 HRs and knocks in 70.
Victorino will probably approach 15 HR, steal 30 bases, and approach 100 runs.
Id say Napoli hits between 20-25 HRs and knocks in 70.
Victorino will probably approach 15 HR, steal 30 bases, and approach 100 runs.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 12:54 am to Louie T
Napoli goes 30-30 this year.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:03 am to Vicks Kennel Club
And I doubt Shane V "bounces" back to career average as I believe he is going to resemble the player you say last year. Napoli is what he is a power guy and moving to Fenway (not that Arlington is a bad hitters park) but Fenway may allow him to jack a few more out. I've stated several times that I think he will hit anywhere from 25-35 home runs.
I still think of him as a complimentary player on a playoff club not on one rebuilding in a sense. Gomes and Victornio are the real head scratching moves.... Red Sox basically paid him 5x more a season than he has ever earned to be a platoon player for Gomes and as I stated I believe Shane is going to produce like the player of last year from here on out. Maybe a few more home runs moving from Dodger Stadium.
I still think of him as a complimentary player on a playoff club not on one rebuilding in a sense. Gomes and Victornio are the real head scratching moves.... Red Sox basically paid him 5x more a season than he has ever earned to be a platoon player for Gomes and as I stated I believe Shane is going to produce like the player of last year from here on out. Maybe a few more home runs moving from Dodger Stadium.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 8:04 am
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:06 am to tduecen
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You laughed when you first heard that the Mariners were talking to Josh Hamilton. Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times is reporting, however, that the last laugh may belong to Seattle:
I’m now told the talks between the two sides have been a lot more serious than anyone has let on and that they are actually “very close” to getting a deal done.
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Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reports that the Rangers and Phillies are in “advanced talks” about a deal that would send Michael Young and cash to the Phillies for a reliever and a prospect.
The Rangers would cover more than half of the $16 million that Young is due next year in the final season of his five-year, $80 million contract. The 36-year-old Young, who has a full no-trade clause, hit .277/.312/.370 with eight homers and 67 RBI in 611 at-bats last season. He was far better in 2011, batting .338/.380/.474 with 11 homers and 106 RBI in 631 at-bats.
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Rosenthal reports that the Mariners have replaced the Rays as the fourth team involved in talks. They would likely get Rangers left-hander Derek Holland in return for whatever talent they surrendered.
The Rangers’ goal in the proceeding is to get Justin Upton from Arizona, and to accomplish that, it seems they’re going to have to facilitate a deal that would send Asdrubal Cabrera from the Indians to the Diamondbacks.
What’s odd about that whole aspect is that the Diamondbacks and Indians wouldn’t seem to need the Rangers at all, given that the Diamondbacks have young pitching to trade. However, it sounds as though the Indians are more interested in Tyler Skaggs than fellow top prospect Trevor Bauer, while the Diamondbacks prefer to deal Bauer.
So, perhaps it all boils down like this:
Rangers get Upton from Diamondbacks
Diamondbacks get Cabrera from Indians, prospect from Rangers
Mariners get Holland from Rangers
Indians get prospect(s) from Mariners
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The Yankees have watched as several players who could help them in 2013 have gone to other teams. And, depending on who you believe, Brian Cashman is not even making offers on these dudes. Andrew Marchand hears why:
An agent said Cashman told him he can not spend money. Seems like he needs approval for any outlays.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 8:10 am
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:06 am to tduecen
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@BertDbacks: #Yankees from @BryanHoch: RT/ The Yankees' offer to Kevin Youkilis is one year at $12M, according to source.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:13 am to tduecen
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You laughed when you first heard that the Mariners were talking to Josh Hamilton. Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times is reporting, however, that the last laugh may belong to Seattle: I’m now told the talks between the two sides have been a lot more serious than anyone has let on and that they are actually “very close” to getting a deal done.
Actually I'm getting the last laugh
at Hamilton being in Seattle, battling for last place in the AL West with the Lastros
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:17 am to GynoSandberg
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31 and 33 is old now? These dudes are in their prime. 1 bad season at this age isnt a trend.
Yes, it is old in baseball terms. No, they have likely left their prime - players on average peak at age 27 (obviously not every player is the same). Sure, it's not a trend, but it's a real bad sign. Players don't gradually decline, they fall off cliffs.
Signing a 31 year old to a big deal is asking to overpay them in their final years. You can normally get away with it in Year 1 or 2, but the back end kills you.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:08 am to Baloo
That's is where 3 year deals come in play obviously as if they do decline by falling off cliff they don't have to hold onto them like Yankees are with Arod.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:51 am to tduecen
I'd like Hamilton if it's reasonable, not too sure about giving up prospects for Holland though.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:21 am to Louie T
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When the Twins traded Denard Span last week the assumption was that they did so in part because Ben Revere was ready to step in as their new center fielder and leadoff man, but now they’ve traded Revere to the Phillies.
Todd Zolecki of MLB.com broke the news, although there’s no word yet on who the Twins are getting in return. Vance Worley seems like the most obvious target as the Twins look for young pitching help.
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We heard about the Yankees’ willingness to listen to offers for Curtis Granderson the other day, but Andrew Marchand of ESPN New York says that they’re willing to listen to offers for Phil Hughes and Ivan Nova as well.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:22 am to Baloo
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Yes, it is old in baseball terms. No, they have likely left their prime - players on average peak at age 27 (obviously not every player is the same). Sure, it's not a trend, but it's a real bad sign. Players don't gradually decline, they fall off cliffs. Signing a 31 year old to a big deal is asking to overpay them in their final years. You can normally get away with it in Year 1 or 2, but the back end kills you.
In this particular case, I don't think Napoli and Vic are on the decline. Both keep in good shape.
Napoli doesn't have much wear and tear and his injury history is not as bad as you guys are making out. You are only remembering his time in Texas and those injuries. Moving to 1B extends his shelf life.
Small speed guys like Victorino have longer careers and will always have a place. He could hit 5 HR but steal 35 bases and play great defense and be worth his contract.
It may be a stretch to say they are in their prime, but the 27 year old breakout season thing is a myth in baseball. That may be when they peak physically, but it's not really telling as far as stats go.
I'm very confident these deals will work out. I'll eat crow if I'm not. Of course I'm a cubs fan and you guys are fans of AL East teams, so I'm sure you think it's crappy deals.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:27 am to GynoSandberg
It being Boston doesn't dictate if I think it is a crappy deal, I thought at time Gonzales was a great deal for someone coming off seasons he had in San Diego and moving to Fenway. I thought Tex/Arod deals were horrible and I've been against giving Granderson a huge deal.
The Napoli deal isn't the bad one in my opinion injust don't understand it because it doesn't significantly improves them. The Gomes/Victornio deals are the horrible ones in my opinion. Napoli as previously stated is what he is, a home run hitter who strikes out a lot who will probably hit around .240-.250 for the season
The Napoli deal isn't the bad one in my opinion injust don't understand it because it doesn't significantly improves them. The Gomes/Victornio deals are the horrible ones in my opinion. Napoli as previously stated is what he is, a home run hitter who strikes out a lot who will probably hit around .240-.250 for the season
Posted on 12/6/12 at 12:10 pm to tduecen
Gomes is a bad deal, but they seem to think his power will translate well to Fenway. He's another guy who hasn't really gotten a chance to play full time.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 12:54 pm to GynoSandberg
That's because he can't hit righties....
Over past 3 seasons 682 AB vs RH .220 avg, .302 OBP, .390 Slugg where as he is above avg against LH .296, .398, .506 in 419 AB.
Over past 3 seasons 682 AB vs RH .220 avg, .302 OBP, .390 Slugg where as he is above avg against LH .296, .398, .506 in 419 AB.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 12:58 pm to tduecen
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Gerry Fraley of the Dallas Morning News reports that the Red Sox and setup man Koji Uehara have agreed to a one-year deal, pending a physical.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:42 pm to tduecen
Bourn and Philly seemed like such a perfect match, have no idea where he ends up now? Don't know why the Phillies would part with a cheap, back of the rotation starter and a top prospect for Revere when Bourn is sitting there for the taking.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:44 pm to floridatigah
Revere is practically Bourn, but for way cheaper
Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:54 pm to GynoSandberg
Maybe down the line, but Bourn is a top of the order guy right now. Revere doesn't draw walks like Bourn does so he'll have to start hitting like he did in the minors. And now they have created a hole in the rotation that they'll likely have to spend anyway (although not Bourn type money) to fill.
Besides the Mariners, who else has been linked to Bourn? Will be interesting to see where he ends up now.
Besides the Mariners, who else has been linked to Bourn? Will be interesting to see where he ends up now.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:04 pm to floridatigah
Indians they've been linked to everyone and they are looking to sign anyone.... I mean 4 years 44 million to Vic is what they offered
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