re: Nomar Garciaparra and steroids

That cover was the beginning of the end for him in Boston

WOW! Bonds-like before/after

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Sorry to poke holes in your theory by bringing up statistics -- but this is baseball we're talking about.

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If he would have had the same number of ABs as he did during 1997-2003, and had the same HRs per AB ratio as he actually did from 2004-2009, he would have averaged 34 1/2 home runs per season from 2004-2009.

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Sorry, but you have some bad math somewhere. If you take the AB he had from 97-03(7 seasons) 3,725 and his HR/AB ratio from 04-09 .0315. Multiply them together and you get 117 HR's. Divide by 6 seasons and you get 20 a season.

ETA: Not to mention you are giving him the AB's for 7 seasons(97-03) and putting it into 6 seasons(04-09)

P.S. Boom, get the frick out of my thread.

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but the big veins on both biceps? hmmm

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yes, his cardiovascular system seems to be intact.

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You know, he had some pretty significant injuries

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How do you think he got all those injuries? Nomar became way too bulky and muscular probably from using steroids and his body started to break down. I'm really surprised that he hasn't been outed yet.

pretty sure one of them came when he took a fastball off his wrist...

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From 04-09 he's hit 56 HR, averaging ~18 per 162

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Your arithmetic was wrong. If he hit 56 home runs in 6 seasons from 04-09, that was 9.3 home runs per season, not 18 like you said in your post.

Next time, check your math before you post.

Or have your mother check it for you. BOOM.

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Did you even read what he said? 18 home runs per 162 games, not season. Jesus.

Below is an excerpt from a Peter Gammons ESPN.com article defending Garciaparra.


"If a player is thrown into the public stocks by hypothetical or deductive guesswork, he is damaged, with little recourse. There is no better example than Nomar Garciaparra. His famous Sports Illustrated cover was quickly thrown up as 'roid proof when he got hurt in spring training 2001. Now, any Gold's Gym bodybuilder and trainer will take that picture and point to the fact that he's developed in but two places and actually has love handles, a surefire sign that he is not a juicer. "That," says Mark Verstegen of Athletes Performance Institute and Garciaparra's trainer going back to Georgia Tech, "was the worst shape he was ever in."

Verstegen bristles at the Garciaparra question because he knows Nomar better than anyone. For a decade, Nomar has been going to API in Bradenton, Fla.; Tempe, Ariz.; and, at the Home Depot Center this winter, in Carson, Calif. And, like anyone and everyone who trains at API, he has to sign an ethics statement and adhere to Verstegen's program to provide an ethical alternative to cheating, a program that has been adopted by the National Football League.

Verstegen -- who says a person can gain 1½ to 2 pounds of muscle mass a week in his program of core strength exercise, weights and strict nutrition (Nomar is a vanilla shake guy) -- insists "that Nomar never had any dramatic weight gains in an offseason. He went from 163 to 167 to 174 to 182 to 195 (pounds), and is now back at 185. But he has to deal with idle speculation? It is completely unfair and irresponsible." Sitting there, hurt, Garciaparra has no way to answer."

Bagwell and Biggio are two of my all-time favorites, but it doesn't affect my belief they used steroids.

It is what it is. I don't blame Bonds for what he did. He was a better athlete than Sosa and McGwire, why should they reap all the awards, benefits, and attention?

It was an era, and it's not over. They are taking better steps to prevent it now. I know for a fact how serious things are in the minors. They're going to do their best to eradicate it, but that doesn't mean it wasn't prevalent through the 2000's.

Go back and look at Garciaparra's picture on the Olympic team posted by Bmac. Is that picture pre-puberty? I mean, do you really think that kind of change can happen naturally at that age?

For the record, I like Garciaparra and don't care either way. I would love to see Pujols voluntarily take a test midseason to validate his accomplishments. IMO, if he is clean, he has everything to gain. He will go down as the best hitter of all time.

Also from the Peter Gammons article, this time defending Bagwell from steroid accusations.

We do know that some players are smaller, and there have been conclusions drawn. In Boston, one sportswriter went on television and used Jeff Bagwell as an example of someone whose size decreased after drug testing. Of course, the person didn't know that Bagwell hadn't been able to lift a weight for nearly four years because of chronic arthritis in his shoulder, but there were viewers who accepted it as fact rather than unaccountable non-fiction.