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re: No charges filed against Jameis Winston
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:40 am to TigerBait1127
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:40 am to TigerBait1127
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I haven't changed my story at all. I'm of the opinion that he should be charged if the affidivats don't match the consensual sex story.
The affidavits aren't going to get a lot of weight, IMO, given the way TPD let Winston's lawyer have access. When the SAO calls the investigation "a cluster" in public, it's not going well.
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Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:41 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
None of that is confirmed. That could be as CYA story.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:45 am to the808bass
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None of that is confirmed. That could be as CYA story.
The words of the City Manager aren't confirmed? The City Manager is in on the coverup too? What is considered confirmed?
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:46 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Can you tell me what stance has changed, I must have missed it.
Day 1: he was not involved. Case was closed. Theres a big game coming up vs Fla, and this just looks suspicious. Nothing to see here. his name was 'intermingled 'with reports.
quote:
intermingle - mix or become mixed: to mix something together with something else
Day 12: yes he was there, and had sex, but despite DNA, we have witnesses that say he didnt do anything wrong." We never said he wasnt there"
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:50 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
quote:Well, seeing as the City manager circulated false information about the accuser, I would wait for some confirmation from TPD. They should have record in the file when the accuser "broke off contact."
The words of the City Manager aren't confirmed? The City Manager is in on the coverup too? What is considered confirmed?
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:52 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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t is also strange that a family attorney decided not to press charges at some point, and then that all changed when the media got involved.
Why in Gods name would the city manager have info on the case, but not the state prosecutor?
That alone should confirm to you the coverup. TPD was working to kill the case. The family atty said they NEVER dropped it. TPD told the mayors office a lie
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:56 am to League Champs
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Day 1: he was not involved.
Can you perhaps give a link to him saying Jameis was not involved?
The story I linked said "intermingled," not "not involved." That same story also said...
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Jansen said he had given investigators sworn statements from witnesses "that we believe are favorable to Mr. Winston," and those witnesses had been interviewed by police.
LINK
So, from day one his story has been that he has two witnesses that clear his client. That has been his argument the entire time.
Day 1: we have two witnesses.
Day 12: DNA, we have two witnesses.
Today: we have two witnesses.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:06 am to the808bass
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City manager circulated false information about the accuser
Is this about saying the accuser got intoxicated? I don't know that we can't say alcohol wasn't involved. The BAC report said within legal limits, not there was no alcohol in her system. The police report said she had been drinking.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:09 am to TigerBait1127
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No doubt a civil lawsuit will get filed against them based on the last release from her attorney...and she should easily win
It's almost impossible to win a 1983.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:14 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
quote:So you're a blind homer. Thanks for checking in.
Is this about saying the accuser got intoxicated? I don't know that we can't say alcohol wasn't involved. The BAC report said within legal limits, not there was no alcohol in her system. The police report said she had been drinking.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:20 am to the808bass
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So you're a blind homer. Thanks for checking in.
So, TPD lied on the report?
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:20 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Tim Jansen told ESPN.com that Winston was being investigated for "his potential involvement" in an incident in December 2012.
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Jansen said Winston denied being involved in the assault and was never questioned by police in connection with the incident.
I'm sorry but saying he was potentially involved, and denied being involved, never questioned, case closed, and that his name was only intermingled with the case, was total legalism, by trying to divert the focus off his client
He knew from Day 1 his client was there, was involved, had sex, and was accused of rape, a police report was filed, and a rape exam conducted
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:20 am to League Champs
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11/22/2013 - Winstons lawyer admits that he did indeed engage with victim in sexual activity, first claiming it was consenual. But later would not say that the victim had given consent when pressed by reporters
Interesting.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:22 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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So, TPD lied on the report?
I'm saying that the City Manager sent out an email with information presented as fact which was not factual. So all her factual statements with regard to this case should be evaluated.
This post was edited on 11/23/13 at 11:23 am
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:22 am to crimsonsaint
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11/22/2013 - Winstons lawyer admits that he did indeed engage with victim in sexual activity, first claiming it was consenual. But later would not say that the victim had given consent when pressed by reporters
Interesting.
We already covered that. Contrary to what some would have you believe, Jameis Winston's attorney did not admit his client had nonconsensual sex.
The exchange:
So are you confirming that DNA matched your client? I can't confirm anything because I haven't seen it, but I'm not surprised by the results because we fully anticipated that his DNA may be there, but that has nothing to do with him being exonerated.
So you are saying this was consensual? Absolutely.
So, they had sex and this was consensual? I'm not saying that. I'm saying the eyewitnesses who were there will verify that any material that is found is consistent with him (JW) doing nothing wrong.
EDIT: He says shortly after that he does not want to comment on the facts of the case.
Starts at 5:30
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:24 am to TigerBait1127
If the sorry azz police leaked the info to Winston's lawyers and FSU that he was a suspect ( thereby allowing him to fit a story to known facts ) why the HELL WOULD YOU THINK they didn't leak the information that the young lady had DNA taken from her panties ? !!
This B.S. stinks to high heavan the way it was handled.
This B.S. stinks to high heavan the way it was handled.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:27 am to League Champs
So, do you believe the witnesses' statements have been changing from day 1?
So, he had to show the media all of his cards on day 1, less his story is changing? Unless you believe the witnesses' story is changing too, the only thing that can be said is Jansen has revealed only as much info as needed in reaction to stuff published by the press.
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He knew from Day 1 his client was there, was involved, had sex, and was accused of rape, a police report was filed, and a rape exam conducted
So, he had to show the media all of his cards on day 1, less his story is changing? Unless you believe the witnesses' story is changing too, the only thing that can be said is Jansen has revealed only as much info as needed in reaction to stuff published by the press.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:29 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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So, TPD lied on the report?
Really?
Did they lie to the victim about not wanting to alert Winston?
Did they lie to Winstons atty about handing the case to prosecutors, who then closed it?
Did they lie to the mayor when they said the girl was drunk and either didnt know what happened or allowed it to happen?
Did they lie to their own chief when they failed to report it to him?
Did they lie to the public when they said the victim asked to drop the case?
Yeah, they lied. A lot
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:33 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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So, TPD lied on the report?
Well considering the TPD didnt even put Winstons name on the suspect list after he was IDed as a suspect, and how they handled the entire situation, they very werel could of lied on the report too.
Im not saying he did or didnt do it. All I know is that the actions, and lack of action, of the TPD and Detective make it look like a cover up. And I know a lot of FSU fans that agree with that. The actions of the TPD, not Winston, make Winston look sketchy. If he was innocent al this time, why even try and cover it up? Do you job and be done with it. This could of been over months ago. But they tried to cover it up. At least thats how it looks. Especially when they notified FSUs lawyer and gave them everything they needed, but not for the girl.
Im not for or against anyone in this case. I just find it very interesting, especially the actions of the Detective and TPD.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:36 am to League Champs
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Did they lie to the victim about not wanting to alert Winston?
Did they lie to Winstons atty about handing the case to prosecutors, who then closed it?
Did they lie to the mayor when they said the girl was drunk and either didnt know what happened or allowed it to happen?
Did they lie to their own chief when they failed to report it to him?
Did they lie to the public when they said the victim asked to drop the case?
Why is this information considered confirmed? Because it came form the accuser's camp?
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