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re: NFL boaters took off life vests and drifted to their death
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:18 pm to TigerFan11
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:18 pm to TigerFan11
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I highly doubt that after just 4 hours you're giving up on your life!
If you're being knocked around by those waves in freezing water, I bet that's going to feel like a lot longer than 4 hours.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:20 pm to foreverLSU
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The 2 NFL players thought they'd be strong enough to swim a distance looking for some help. That's heroic.
I don't think that's what happened. From what it says, it sounds like, they committed suicide by taking off their vests and drifting into the abyss.
This post was edited on 3/4/09 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:25 pm to maburu2
The Coast Guard states a relatively new device, called a Personal Locator Beacon, could have helped locate all four men. It came on the market in 2003, and is available at most marine stores for about $350-$600.
You clip the device onto your life jacket and when you're in distress, flip the antenna, and click for help. A satellite 22,000 miles away will receive the signal and send it to NOAA offices located in Maryland. Those workers will then transmit the information to a rescue coordination team in Miami. The Coast Guard then dispatches crews directly to the distressed boater.
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You clip the device onto your life jacket and when you're in distress, flip the antenna, and click for help. A satellite 22,000 miles away will receive the signal and send it to NOAA offices located in Maryland. Those workers will then transmit the information to a rescue coordination team in Miami. The Coast Guard then dispatches crews directly to the distressed boater.
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This post was edited on 3/4/09 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:28 pm to Lester Earl
I don't think anyone is thinking anything along those lines lester. Its not out of the realm of possibilities that someone was possibly intentionally drowned in a fight for life jackets though
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:32 pm to BilJ
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Its not out of the realm of possibilities that someone was possibly intentionally drowned in a fight for life jackets though
they were all friends though
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I don't think anyone is thinking anything along those lines lester.
That's why I was asking. That's what it was sounding like the guy was alluding to
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:33 pm to Lester Earl
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seriously, what do you people think happened?
that he went 50 miles off shore, sunk the boat and risked his own life sitting in the ocean for 2 days while he killed his 3 "friends"?
I mean what are these conspiracies people keep hinting at? anyone want to elaborate because i would love to hear them besides saying "something fishy went on"
No shite.
All I'm taking out of this is that Schuyler kept his wits and did the best thing and held on as long as he could. I imagine he probably tried to talk the other dudes into doing the same but they were in Panic or flight mode. This is really sad but I'm not really sensing a conspiracy here.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:34 pm to BilJ
why does there have to be a conspiracy?
So two guys drifted off to their death because they gave up hope. You can call it suicide if you like, but whatever. Another man took off his vest because it is easier to swim without a vest and tried to swim for help.
What is so hard to believe?
People give up hope easily and if you are cold, maybe hurt, sick from salt water, etc...I can imagine it being tough to try and hold on. I don't think any foul play was involved. The gulf was very choppy the night the boat flipped so driver recklessness doesn't appear to be an option.
So two guys drifted off to their death because they gave up hope. You can call it suicide if you like, but whatever. Another man took off his vest because it is easier to swim without a vest and tried to swim for help.
What is so hard to believe?
People give up hope easily and if you are cold, maybe hurt, sick from salt water, etc...I can imagine it being tough to try and hold on. I don't think any foul play was involved. The gulf was very choppy the night the boat flipped so driver recklessness doesn't appear to be an option.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:34 pm to Lester Earl
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seriously, what do you people think happened? that he went 50 miles off shore, sunk the boat and risked his own life sitting in the ocean for 2 days while he killed his 3 "friends"? I mean what are these conspiracies people keep hinting at? anyone want to elaborate because i would love to hear them besides saying "something fishy went on"
That there was a struggle involved that Nick won -- like he won the battle for the available life vests, that he won the battle to get on top of the boat and hug the engine while kicking all the other guys away etc. The thought crossed my mind that Nick might have survived by going into "every man for himself" mode. However, I saw that Nick's father stayed with the other families, and he kept downplaying the good news that his son had been rescued because they were concerned about the other 3, and he said that all four of them were very close friends, and I believe him. The only way I'd think Nick fended for himself to the detriment of the others is if he wasn't close friends with the other guys.
This post was edited on 3/4/09 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:36 pm to Lester Earl
"something fishy went on"
I see what you did there.
I see what you did there.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:37 pm to Lester Earl
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or even a simple flair
The families said they had flairs on the boat.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:38 pm to Tiger Ted
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The only way I'd think Nick fended for himself to the detriment of the others is if he wasn't close friends with the other guys.
thats what im saying. By all accounts they were good friends.
and there was enough room for more people on top of the boat. I dont see why they would fight over being on top of there when they all could have fit
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:39 pm to Tiger Ted
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That there was a struggle involved that Nick won -- like he won the battle for the available life vests, that he won the battle to get on top of the boat and hug the engine while kicking all the other guys away etc. The thought crossed my mind that Nick might have survived by going into "every man for himself" mode. However, I saw that Nick's father stayed with the other families, and he kept downplaying the good news that his son had been rescued because they were concerned about the other 3, and he said that all four of them were very close friends, and I believe him. The only way I'd think Nick fended for himself to the detriment of the others is if he wasn't close friends with the other guys.
i think in 14 foot seas, they were too busy trying to hold on to fight
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:41 pm to Lester Earl
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and there was enough room for more people on top of the boat. I dont see why they would fight over being on top of there when they all could have fit
them dudes were freezing to death and just gave up. Supposedly once that shite sets in, you just get in a relaxed state and fall asleep. I think this is probably the case with at least 2 of them, the other must have really thought he saw something and went for it and exhausted himself in the process.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:42 pm to TigerBait1127
I think the fact that people have to make more of the story than what has actually been reported is sad in itself. 3 guys are dead in a tragic accident, and all you can think of is motion picture shite where it's "everyman for himself".
Take the story for what it is unless you have proof.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:45 pm to Lester Earl
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and there was enough room for more people on top of the boat.
i think if the water was that rough, they were having trouble staying on top of that thing
Posted on 3/4/09 at 1:07 pm to TigerBait1127
no doubt it was difficult to stay on the capsized boat. I saw a coast guard official report that their were 16 foot seas the first evening. That is extremely rough water.
I have been out in 8 foot seas on a much bigger boat than these guys had and it was brutal. I can't imagine how bad it got for them. I believe they could have given up hope quickly in those conditions.
I have been out in 8 foot seas on a much bigger boat than these guys had and it was brutal. I can't imagine how bad it got for them. I believe they could have given up hope quickly in those conditions.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 1:08 pm to TigerBait1127
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i think if the water was that rough, they were having trouble staying on top of that thing
the water didnt look that rough when they rescued Scheyler.
i doubt he stayed on top the boat in 16 foot waves even if he had the chance to hold the propeller
Posted on 3/4/09 at 1:10 pm to skullhawk
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I have been out in 8 foot seas on a much bigger boat
I've been out in 64 foot waves in a boot 8x bigger than yours.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 1:59 pm to Lester Earl
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the water didnt look that rough when they rescued Scheyler.
conditions were way better the day they rescued him. The boat wouldn't have capsized in those conditions
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