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re: New LHSAA hire (and would my crazy idea for re-uniting public & private work)
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:53 am to Shoulderchoke
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:53 am to Shoulderchoke
A lot of Curtis's competition is comparably amateurs... he was Nick Saban before there was a Nick Saban...
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:55 am to Lee Chatelain
Well there is a two-fold problem with why many public schools under-perform.
One is as you mention. Many public school coaches simply aren't willing to put the time in that the private school coaches do. I know many private school coaches that are at school 10-14 hours a day during the season between teaching, practice, weights, film, logistics, etc.
Not all coaches are willing to make that type of commitment. This is not across the board as I'm sure many of the coaches from the top public programs are working their butts off.
The other issue is commitment level of many public school kids and their parents. Parents sending kids to private schools want as much bang for their buck as possible and push their kids to join sports and many are willing to pay for specialized training as well. You don't find that commitment level of parents as much in the public schools. Additionally, while public schools may be chasing fun 7v7 titles in the summer, you'll notice that the major private schools aren't. They are back working on fundamentals.
One thing a public school in LA will never get to say is they don't have talent. They can argue that they don't have talent that some of the private schools have, but the truth of the matter is schools like Ehret, Lafayette, Covington etc., have just as many if not more athletes walking the halls as Jesuit, Curtis, Evangel, Rummel, but they don't get those kids out. The small publics have tons of great individuals that their teams can revolve around.
One is as you mention. Many public school coaches simply aren't willing to put the time in that the private school coaches do. I know many private school coaches that are at school 10-14 hours a day during the season between teaching, practice, weights, film, logistics, etc.
Not all coaches are willing to make that type of commitment. This is not across the board as I'm sure many of the coaches from the top public programs are working their butts off.
The other issue is commitment level of many public school kids and their parents. Parents sending kids to private schools want as much bang for their buck as possible and push their kids to join sports and many are willing to pay for specialized training as well. You don't find that commitment level of parents as much in the public schools. Additionally, while public schools may be chasing fun 7v7 titles in the summer, you'll notice that the major private schools aren't. They are back working on fundamentals.
One thing a public school in LA will never get to say is they don't have talent. They can argue that they don't have talent that some of the private schools have, but the truth of the matter is schools like Ehret, Lafayette, Covington etc., have just as many if not more athletes walking the halls as Jesuit, Curtis, Evangel, Rummel, but they don't get those kids out. The small publics have tons of great individuals that their teams can revolve around.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:59 am to chalmetteowl
For Curtis, the 2012 and 2013 class is fresh in everyone's minds so they think every year Curtis has ridiculous athletes. Maybe once in every 5-6 years they have a really special class. This year and next year, who are the all-world kids? Not many. Not any more than you'd see on a good 4A or 5A program in any given year.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 12:01 pm to GhostofJackson
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The other issue is commitment level of many public school kids and their parents.
public school administrations have to match that commitment level... how many coaches who could be great never get that chance because school board politics keeps a guy with one playoff appearance in a decade in, for example?
or they claim it's not about the wins and losses, that it's about building character and developing men... well don't whine when a better team beats you if it's not about that. men take the L and move on.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 1:47 pm to chalmetteowl
Whatever they do, they need to do for all sports.
Here is my idea. Put everyone back together, and then put in three rules.
1) What is currently "select" schools have a multiplier attached when placing them into a class. 1.5 for co-ed schools, 3.0 for single-ed schools (single ed schools already have a 2.0 multiplier).
2) This is the big one, and this will address the Curtis issue. Put a limit on roster size. One of the reason Curtis is so dominant in 3A is because their football roster is 2-3x the size of everyone else's in 3A. I would put in a different roster max per class. For example, football could be:
5A - None
4A - 90
3A - 60
2A - 50
1A - 40
3) Allow umlimited play-ups in class, for all sports.
So, Curtis and other schools that have rosters larger than their class dictates, have a decision to make. They can limit their rosters and stay in class, or, they can play up and keep the bigger roster.
Here is my idea. Put everyone back together, and then put in three rules.
1) What is currently "select" schools have a multiplier attached when placing them into a class. 1.5 for co-ed schools, 3.0 for single-ed schools (single ed schools already have a 2.0 multiplier).
2) This is the big one, and this will address the Curtis issue. Put a limit on roster size. One of the reason Curtis is so dominant in 3A is because their football roster is 2-3x the size of everyone else's in 3A. I would put in a different roster max per class. For example, football could be:
5A - None
4A - 90
3A - 60
2A - 50
1A - 40
3) Allow umlimited play-ups in class, for all sports.
So, Curtis and other schools that have rosters larger than their class dictates, have a decision to make. They can limit their rosters and stay in class, or, they can play up and keep the bigger roster.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 2:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
That's a good way to cut Curtis' roster in half... Lmao
Posted on 12/10/14 at 2:08 pm to Shoulderchoke
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That's a good way to cut Curtis' roster in half.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 2:14 pm to Shoulderchoke
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That's a good way to cut Curtis' roster in half... Lmao
That's the point. When they face a team with the same depth as them (i.e. Catholic League teams), they are not as dominant.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 4:37 pm to LSUFanHouston
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New LHSAA hire (and would my crazy idea for re-uniting public & private work)
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That's a good way to cut Curtis' roster in half... Lmao
That's the point. When they face a team with the same depth as them (i.e. Catholic League teams), they are not as dominant.
Do you know what their all tie record vs catholic league teams is?
Its somewhere inn the are of 22-5
Posted on 12/10/14 at 4:39 pm to choupiquesushi
If curtis dressed out only 45
It would be a really good 45
Heck I saw a small town 2a school dress out 85 and they weren't that good
It would be a really good 45
Heck I saw a small town 2a school dress out 85 and they weren't that good
Posted on 12/10/14 at 4:42 pm to chalmetteowl
[quote]New LHSAA hire (and would my crazy idea for re-uniting public & private work)
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prior to Katrina. Shaw had 5a numbers......
actually the redistricting that put them in 4A happened before
Thats right...that why they were so mad at their former principal....among other things
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prior to Katrina. Shaw had 5a numbers......
actually the redistricting that put them in 4A happened before
Thats right...that why they were so mad at their former principal....among other things
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 12/10/14 at 4:43 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:So a winning percentage of 81%. I bet they are at 98% with 3a schools they play
Its somewhere inn the are of 22-5
Posted on 12/10/14 at 4:45 pm to Choupique19
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New LHSAA hire (and would my crazy idea for re-uniting public & private work)
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Bad Hire.
This guy actively encouraged public schools in Nevada to forfeit to a certain private school (Bishop Gorman) in order to hurt Bishop Gorman financially.
He also advocated not allowing Bishop Gorman to compete for state titles - they could compete in the regular season but not in the playoffs.
This has a true split written all over it.
Sad times.
Yep one thing nobody has mentioned is the fact that what most smaller selects and the 5a selects have very different visions of what they want...
Pisses me off that this nonsense is occurring in my sins time in hs
Posted on 12/10/14 at 4:47 pm to lsupride87
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New LHSAA hire (and would my crazy idea for re-uniting public & private work)
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Its somewhere inn the are of 22-5
So a winning percentage of 81%. I bet they are at 98% with 3a schools they play
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they
It's pretty stout...
They went from 1977 to 2001 or 2000 without losing a district game Newman and op walker were the bookends in 2a 3a and 4a
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