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re: New LHSAA hire (and would my crazy idea for re-uniting public & private work)

Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:54 pm to
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:54 pm to
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GhostofJackson
New LHSAA hire (and would my crazy idea for re-uniting public & private work)
I can tell you that the publics are trying to force the hand of the privates by pushing for an all-sport split. Privates may be okay with it if football can stay together in 5A.




Correct....i
Posted by bigdubya11
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:58 pm to
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2 dome trips in 25 years.


2 in a row. And more to come at their pace.
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:07 pm to
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I can tell you that the publics are trying to force the hand of the privates by pushing for an all-sport split. Privates may be okay with it if football can stay together in 5A.



Correct....i


Are ya'll saying the private schools would go along with an all sport split if privates were allowed to opt into the public school section in football if they played up to 5A? Interesting idea, but why would the smaller privates that are not geared primarily towards sports go for that? And would the larger publics and privates accept it?

Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:12 pm to
What choice do the small privates have? They don't have the clout to start their own league by themselves. The best they could do was Miss private league for infrastructure.
Posted by Brisket
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:20 pm to
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Which was brought about primarily by two catholic school principals and one public school principal.


Mama's wrong again .... here are the facts

Two principals in north Louisiana proposed to split the Louisiana High
School Athletic Association (LHSAA) into two separate classifications: one
for public schools and one for private schools (Strom, 2004). The authors of
the proposal claimed that private schools have numerous advantages including
opportunities to accept students outside their attendance zones, to control
their enrollment, and to operate under different academic guidelines
(Strom, 2004). Tommy Henry, the LHSAA commissioner, observed that the
proposal was gaining support from public school principals irate over the
dominance of Curtis and Evangel (Strom, 2004). Two small schools, John
Curtis Christian and Evangel Academy, dominated the state’s top two divisions,
regularly defeating opponents in football with much larger enrollments
(Longman, 2004). The LHSAA avoided segregation by approving an
alternative plan proposed by the LHSAA executive committee, by a vote of
256-71, to study complaints that private schools have an unfair advantage
(Brocato, 2004a). In October 2004, Louisiana’s high school principals voted
to require all schools to play in a class determined solely by their enrollment
James/HOW MUCH DOES A PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENT COUNT? 413with an appeal process that allowed schools to petition to play up a class
(Longman, 2004). This curious action, the opposite of what other states had
done using a multiplier, prevented small schools with great success from
playing larger and presumably more competitive schools. Twenty-two
appeals requesting to play up a class were made and only three were granted;
John Curtis Christian and Evangel Academy were not among the three
(McCallum, 2004). The LHSAA also shot down appeals by Archbishop
Shaw to continue to be a member of the Catholic League which it had been
in for 34 years, and denied the Academy of the Sacred Heart, De La Salle,
and Archbishop Hannan to continue to play in the 3A division (Brocato,
2004b). Brocato (2004b) added that the appeals were denied “with a snickering
purpose” (¶3).

LINK
Posted by ptra
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:59 pm to
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I can tell you that the publics are trying to force the hand of the privates by pushing for an all-sport split. Privates may be okay with it if football can stay together in 5A.



So the private schools can compete with the larger schools in football, but are not able in other sports?
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:12 pm to
Private schools don't want the split at all. But since the money sport is football, if the football status quo can be kept, the privates may be okay with being separated in all other sports. If you keep them segregated for football too, though, next year we will have a private league.
Posted by GWfool
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:20 pm to
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Well you should since they along with John Curtis are the main reason for this split. If you saw the 2001 West Monroe team, and then you saw how a school with about 400 students (co-ed, mind you. Not a 1000+ student all boy school) could beat them, then you knew it was only a matter of time before a split was inevitable.
if you think the split was brought on by the catholic schools you are foolin yourselves


ETA: I agree Curtis and Evangel are the reasons for the split. I am only responding to your comment saying the big Catholics complained about Evangel. WM was always public enemy #1


Everyone is talking about the Catholic League in New Orleans not all Catholic schools so they are not referring to CHSBR
Posted by Methuselah
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:20 pm to
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Private schools don't want the split at all. But since the money sport is football, if the football status quo can be kept, the privates may be okay with being separated in all other sports. If you keep them segregated for football too, though, next year we will have a private league.

I dunno. It seems like if it was in the best interest of the privates to go private league they would have done so already. That always seemed more like a "we're pissed off so we're gonna threaten to leave" thing to me. (Could be wrong of course - I also never could figure out why the private schools demanded to have so many divisions or classes which seem well beyond their numbers).

It just seems strange that they would reach a conclusion of something like "you know what, splitting for the playoffs are bad so lets split for the regular season too". In the long run they'll do whatever it is in their financial interest to do.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 10:22 pm
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:53 am to
Brisket...

That was after play in class was rolling and it was apparent it would pass

Show who proposed and politicked for play in class


Play in class led to split
And yes the appeals were denied with snickering because they had blood on their hands
And your years are wrong because prior to Katrina. Shaw had 5a numbers......
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 8:01 am
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 12/10/14 at 8:47 am to
Shaw had well over 600 or so in the early 200s which would have put them in 5A. Hell, the Catholic League in the early 2000s had 7 teams, including DLS.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49047 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:30 am to
Bad Hire.

This guy actively encouraged public schools in Nevada to forfeit to a certain private school (Bishop Gorman) in order to hurt Bishop Gorman financially.

He also advocated not allowing Bishop Gorman to compete for state titles - they could compete in the regular season but not in the playoffs.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53546 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:40 am to
but yet Bishop Gorman is still in the Nevada state association and won the state title again last week...
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:44 am to
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Bad Hire.

This guy actively encouraged public schools in Nevada to forfeit to a certain private school (Bishop Gorman) in order to hurt Bishop Gorman financially.

He also advocated not allowing Bishop Gorman to compete for state titles - they could compete in the regular season but not in the playoffs.


This has a true split written all over it.

Sad times.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53546 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:46 am to
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prior to Katrina. Shaw had 5a numbers......


actually the redistricting that put them in 4A happened before Katrina...
Posted by MrLSU2006
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
97 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:22 am to
Funny how all the public school people are quick to point out how Curtis and evangel, uhigh all have made it to the dome every year. But in the last few years Acadiana, Neville, Karr, haynesville have gotten there multiple years in a row and won several state titles. But it's the privates that cheat.( yes we all know about Curtis and evangel) how is it its ok though for theses schools to dominate and make it every year but if a private school wins 2 years in a row the are recruiting. I can tell you it's no coincidence that acadiana high school is the most dominate school in lafayette and all others Re average. since our school of choice program has come about.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:28 am to
At least one of those schools has athletes who don't even live in their parish competing for them. Hint, it is a parish that is separated by a river.
Posted by MrLSU2006
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
97 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:34 am to
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GhostofJackson
New LHSAA hire (and would my crazy idea for re-uniting public & private work)
At least one of those schools has athletes who don't even live in their parish competing for them. Hint, it is a parish that is separated by a river.




The point is I don't think there needs to be a separation. I do think they need to make some of these schools public and private play up. and yes public to. If some of you believe that publics aren't recruiting like some privates are you are crazy. It's funny how a lot of the public school powers are the same just like the same private schools. Hmm Mabe they are both doing the same thing. No obviously Curtis has perfected it but they all doing the same thing.
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:42 am to
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Public schools just can't consistently compete with Curtis, Evangel, Calvary, Parkview, and University.


That is a shite excuse. Coaching is the #1 problem. If these schools would hire coaches that can actually coach and get off their lazy arse and do something, maybe they'd win.
Posted by Shoulderchoke
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Member since Aug 2008
7938 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:46 am to
Riiiiiiiight....
It's the coaching.
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