re: NCAA restores Joe Paternos wins

Meanwhile at USC...

Pat Haden has asked "at least times" for a review

Man I'm so torn of this.

One thing is for sure, the NCAA is a total clown show.

I honestly don't care. Paterno won all those football games fair and square. You cant just say oh those dont count anymore because we said so. He is the winningest football coach of all time. It is what it is. The man is dead now, he has got his punishment. Im sure he no longer cares. And does whether or not the NCAA say these wins count or not really bring any solace to the victims. I think not, so it's irrelevant either way it goes.

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If he wasn't being enabled by PSU to support his 'habit', Sandusky might have lagged in performance and negatively affected the team during his coaching tenure.

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Oh ffs, he was no longer their dc after the 99 season. This is reaching anyhow.

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If he wasn't being enabled by PSU to support his 'habit', Sandusky might have lagged in performance and negatively affected the team during his coaching tenure.

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That's a stretch

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Such a fricking bullshite cop-out. It's the very definition of lack of institutional control.

Also - Would your employer discipline you if he found out you were fricking little kids on the company's premises?

Not a perfect analogy, but you get what i'm driving at.

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It's a terrible analogy. My employer has ALWAYS had a list of fireable offenses, and committing a felony is high on the list. On the other hand, the NCAA routinely turns a blind eye to conduct that would result in immediate termination at my job, and that's because the NCAA's only job is to police fair play between the lines and anything that affects fair play between the libes, such as recruiting. The NCAA never has been and never will be the morality police, lest I remind you of the Baylor basketbal murder-coverup, not to mention hundreds of miscreants we see on college football fields and basketball courts who would never get past my employer's background check.

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As they should. It was absolutely retarded to take them away.

All this Sandusky stuff had nothing to do with accomplishments on the field.

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This is how I feel.

Throw everyone who committed crimes in jail, but that doesn't have anything to do with the W/L's on the football field really.

I mean OJ still has his Heisman trophy because him murdering two people has nothing to do with his playing career.

Boom

I've changed my mind. I previously said I'd rather see them stay vacated, but here's my take:

The NCAA made a mistake in vacating them in the first place. In the face of atrocities overlooked because of Penn State's football worship, the NCAA's vacating of the games ironically legitimized football as some sort of currency in restitution for the victims. That is, when they vacated, part of me asked, That's supposed to make the families and victims feel better?

I think that placing those wins on the table in the first place is a subtle gesture of disrespect and lack of perspective at the expense of the victims and their families. It's almost as if a guy beats his wife to death after she begged to go fishing with him, and the judge orders him to not go fishing for a month. Fishing isn't exactly the point here.

But, they vacated the games, and now they've restored them, and this serves as only a second reminder that the NCAA dealt with this issue very inappropriately, and who among us can claim to be surprised?

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If the child molestation stuff had come out when it happened he wouldn't have made it to 112.

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Yep, a decade of wins would not exist.