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re: NBA Offseason Trade & FA thread: KD To Ws, Wade to Bulls
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:52 pm to shel311
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:52 pm to shel311
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You think Boom and I are the only 2 using the term "3 and D?"
3 and D is a skill set. Something Durant, LBJ, George, Kawhi, Butler and Green all have.
We speak about guys like Ariza as 3 and D because that is their only major strengths(though often rebounding is an * within the label). Strengths that are highly coveted for the position. But when comparing the best 3 and D players you don't just get to exclude those that are clearly better because they can also do other things.
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Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:54 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:Of course he is.
As much as it pains me, you are right about the 3 and D versus superstar argument
I don't care where Ariza is ranked but to insinuate Boom or me trying to build some narrative by using some term called 3 and D is just silly.
The notion that these guys have never heard of 3 and D kinda tells you they shouldn't really be getting into in-depth NBA discussions, I'd think.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:55 pm to NOLA Bronco
quote:You don't understand the term and what it means and which players it is identifying, that's ok.
3 and D is a skill set. Something Durant, LBJ, George, Kawhi, Butler and Green all have. We speak about guys like Ariza as 3 and D because that is their only major strengths(though often rebounding is an * within the label). Strengths that are highly coveted for the position. But when comparing the best 3 and D players you don't just get to exclude those that are clearly better because they can also do other things.
We can move on now.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:55 pm to NOLA Bronco
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But when comparing the best 3 and D players you don't just get to exclude those that are clearly better because they can also do other things.
Not trying to get into it, but isn't it understood that you're omitting better, more rounded players when you use the term "3 &D" ?
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:57 pm to burdman
quote:Yes, of course.
but isn't it understood that you're omitting better, more rounded players when you use the term "3 &D" ?
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:59 pm to burdman
quote:
Not trying to get into it, but isn't it understood that you're omitting better, more rounded players when you use the term "3 &D" ?
In this particular case, that's exactly what Boom is doing. He narrowed the field down to guys who are only "3 and D" so that he could claim Ariza is top 5. That's like being on a "Top 5 obese actress" list in Hollywood.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:02 pm to Jester
quote:So Boom is using the term exactly how it was intended to be used, is what you're saying...
In this particular case, that's exactly what Boom is doing
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:03 pm to Jester
To vote on the matter, I take the term "3 and D" to mean players that are particularly skilled at three-point shooting and defense, but are otherwise limited.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:07 pm to shel311
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So Boom is using the term exactly how it was intended to be used, is what you're saying...
Which is a digression from the whole point of Ariza not being worth a shite. Boom basically tried to argue that Ariza+Beverley for Noel is an overpay because Ariza is a top 5 "3-and-D" small forward.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:10 pm to Jester
quote:I think it would be a dumb trade as well, that's not the argument.
Which is a digression from the whole point of Ariza not being worth a shite. Boom basically tried to argue that Ariza+Beverley for Noel is an overpay because Ariza is a top 5 "3-and-D" small forward.
The argument is some guys acting like they've never heard the term before and don't now how it's used by virtually everyone else.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:13 pm to shel311
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The argument is some guys acting like they've never heard the term before and don't now how it's used by virtually everyone else.
Well, when you turn it into a top 5 list, you kind of disregard the argument that you're using it for limited players.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:22 pm to Jester
3 and D players are sought and are in demand.
Yes, they are limited elsewhere, but as role players they aren't expected to do all kinds of things anyway. They are there to compliment stars and fill a role.
Players who can hit the 3 AND play lockdown defense are very valuable to teams, and there aren't a ton of them out there.
So in skillset they may be limited, but in reality teams value them highly.
Yes, they are limited elsewhere, but as role players they aren't expected to do all kinds of things anyway. They are there to compliment stars and fill a role.
Players who can hit the 3 AND play lockdown defense are very valuable to teams, and there aren't a ton of them out there.
So in skillset they may be limited, but in reality teams value them highly.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:30 pm to PrimeTime Money
Thunder shopping Serge Ibaka
quote:
Marc J. Spears Marc J. Spears – Verified account ?@MarcJSpearsESPN The Thunder is shopping big man Serge Ibaka on this draft day, a source said.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:31 pm to Epic Cajun
A 3 and D SF is by definition a role playing SF, not a max or superstar. Leonard isn't a role player, Durant isn't a role player. NO ONE is comparing Ariza to max players we are comparing him to the other role playing SFs that do more or less what he does. That people will argue this is mindbottling.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:31 pm to Fus0623
top 5 3 and D big
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:31 pm to Epic Cajun
Bazemore yea he goes up there too, although Ariza is probably better than him.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:33 pm to Fus0623
quote:
Marc J. Spears Marc J. Spears – Verified account ?@MarcJSpearsESPN The Thunder is shopping big man Serge Ibaka on this draft day, a source said.
Woah
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:33 pm to MrPappagiorgio
Well done
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:34 pm to Fus0623
quote:
The Thunder is shopping
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:35 pm to Jester
quote:
Well, when you turn it into a top 5 list, you kind of disregard the argument that you're using it for limited players.
nope
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