re: NBA Free Agency Thread: Day 21

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god damn our division is stacked at PF

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And then you throw in Bosh....

wait....

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You couldn't be more wrong on this man. The Wolves need to take the best deal they can get now because Love will leave them after next season at the latest.

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Dude, I literally said they have a year before he becomes a FA. Im not saying they can just sit and wait and trade him last minute. But they do not need to trade him immediately. And no Love obviously is not staying there. And I do agree at some point teams the deals will get worse because they can just wait and sign him as a FA. BUT, thats risking a lot by just waiting to sign him. It becomes a you vs the rest of the NBA situation. He can choose where he wants to go. He can go back to the West Coast, chase the $$$, etc. Even though he says he most likely would stay and sign a long term deal in CLE, what happens if they trade for him and its just an epic failure? Someone gets hurt, team hates each other(which it did last year), players quitting on 1 another, etc. The draw for CLE is LBJ... but at the same time Love hasnt made it a secret that he wants to play back home on the West Coast... what happens if he decides he would rather go to the West Coast than play in Cleveland?

And the deal they have right now... flat out sucks. Thompson and Thompson for Kevin Love... thats a joke. And I never said that they would be getting a star from the team that trades them. Of course they wont. And I never said Rubio is a legit PG. But Thompson and Thompson for Love is laughable. The Thompson and Lee offer was better than that. And that was 1 of the first offers they had for Love. It wouldnt be a bad trade if the Cavs gave them Waiters + Thompson and Klay T from GS. I would accept that. But the Thompson + Thompson deal is a joke.

The "best deal" today might not be the best deal tomorrow, or a week away, or a month away, or 2 months away, etc. I was just saying they have some time before it gets down to "we must trade him now" situation. A lot of things can happen in a few months. And the leverage def has a tipping point as does the trade offers. Right now, I still think its going up. In 6 months, it most likely will be a diff story. But they have a window of time they can use before it closes. Might as well use it and see if you can get a better offer.

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I just went back and saw the rumored trade. Klay is a top 5-6 SG, Tristan is a decent starting 4. The picks will help. There are no better deals out there for them. Only 2 teams have offered trades. Take it while you can get it and get that rebuilding effort going. While play this season as a mulligan when you can at least make it worthwhile.

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That trade will be there until the trade deadline. They have no reason to accept it now.

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And the deal they have right now... flat out sucks. Thompson and Thompson for Kevin Love... thats a joke

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I believe it is those guys plus a pick or two. How exactly is that a joke? Klay is a top 5 SG and Thompson is good for a double double with some solid d. That's the best they are going to get when it is publicly known that Love wants to leave. There is really no better offer out there. Take the deal and start the rebuild now rather than throw the season down the drain and at best start it next offseason with Thompson and Thompson. Hell this offer may not even last through the season.

Take what you can when you can get it. It's Minnesota. All-Star free agents entering their prime aren't exactly tripping over themselves to get up there. If you can get one in a trade, take it.

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Klay is a top 5 SG

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Nope. Maybe top 10. Not too 5. Hell his PER was 23rd out of all SGs.

Tristan Thompson is an average to below average PF that has already reached his ceiling at 23 years old. He's an ok player. And since when has Thompson become a solid D player? Because he's not.

It's a joke because it's a fricking joke. GS already offered Thompson + David Lee. That was better than this trade and not even close.

Oh and rebuild? Minny doesn't get the picks, GS does. They can't rebuild because they don't get any of the draft picks. GS would get multiple picks, Minny get Thompson and Thompson... Yippie.

And you are dumb if you think they won't get an offer better than this, even though GS already have them a better offer, just because it's known that Love wants to leave. The last couple of times a "star player" wanted to be traded and was traded to another team, the team that player left came out great.

Dwight Howard to the Lakers... The Magic got Aaron Afflalo, Nikola Vucevic, Josh McRoberts, Moe Harkless, Al Harrington, 1 or 2 other players plus 5 draft picks, which helped them get Oladipo, Payton, Aaron Gordon. They still have picks from this trade in the 2018 draft...

Carmelo Anthony to the Knicks...Nuggets got Galinari, Wilson Chandler, Mozgov, Kosta Koufus, Raymond Felton, 3 draft picks and $3m in cash.

Chris Paul to Clippers... Hornets / Pels received Eric Gordon, Aminu, Chris Kaman, and 1st round pick which helped them get the #1 and #10 pick in the draft (Anthony Davis + Rivers, but mainly Anthony Davis). And that's after the NBA vetoed a trade with the Clippers where NOLA would have received Dragic, Scola, Kevin Martin, Lamar Odom (who jus won 6th Man of the Year) and a 1st. But nba vetoed it for some reason.

Deron Williams to Nets... Jazz received Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, 2 first round picks, and cash.

Kevin Garnett to Celtics.... Timberwolves received Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, two 1st round picks and cash.

And you think Kevin Love for Klay Thompson and TT is a good deal for the TWolves and the best that the Wolves can get?? Just because it's known Love wants out?? It was well known that all those players I listed wanted out, and those teams still managed to find a trade partner and came out great, way better than Minny would with this trade. Hell, Golden St already offered a better deal than what Minny would get in this 3team deal. It's a joke. That take what you can when you can get it is a joke as well. Why the frick would a GM have that mindset?

Damn dude you've been making some long arse posts recently

No I agree with most of what you are saying. My main point is that the offer in this 3 team deal is a joke. Especially when you look at past trades involving star players. And, Love is still just 25 years old. That's huge.

But at the same time, it is a trade. Teams may look locked into the cap right now, but all they need to do is dish a few players in the trade to clear up space. Which is why I think this trade will def be a multi - team deal.

And yea those are the top 4 teams that sound like are in play for Love. I think he ends up in Cleveland too. But they either throw Waiters in with the original trade, or they are just gonna have to give up Wiggins. And I can see why they would and wouldn't do that. And I think if the Wolves end up getting Waiters, Thompson, Thompson and GS gets a few picks and the Cavs get Love.... That's a fair trade. GS gets picks for KT, Wolves get that trio, and Cavs get Love.

And come on you know that trade with GS was offered

Why is that funny?

Yea I agree.

I actually think that since it was such an early offer for Love that Minny probably thought they should wait it out and see if anyone tops that original offer with GS. I mean that offer came pretty quick after Love was finally put on the block. Plus, most teams wanted to see what happens in FA first.

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Because overpaying for a guy who was previously underpaid is not improving your roster. It's hilarious that enough delusion exists in Houston to think it is.

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Houston signed Trevor Ariza to back up Harden and Parsons.

And Parsons can be re-signed over the cap... so the Rockets basically get a free pass to sign him.

The team has improved. I'll let the owner worry about how much he's paying the players.