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NASCAR's Amazing Screwup
Posted on 6/11/20 at 7:42 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 7:42 am
At some point college business courses need to use NASCAR as an example of how to destroy a business.
The downfall of NASCAR from a National Sport that was close to rivaling the NFL in popularity to essentially nothing is pretty amazing.
With the Coronavirus NASCAR was given an amazing opportunity to resurrect itself. NASCAR was the first "semi-major" sport back doing live events during a time when sports fans are starved for any type of content. NASCAR had the sports world to itself and you had people staying at home more with no sports to watch. Never mind you had fans straying away from the NFL due to all the politics that have infiltrated the league. NASCAR could've picked up some of those fans just by staying non-political.
So what does NASCAR do? They go political and go down the same path as the NFL.
Back in the day I was a NASCAR fan. I was a big fan of Bobby Labonte and later Tony Stewart. Even in Stewart's later years I didn't follow NASCAR nearly as much and once Smoke retired I essentially retired.
With the NFL sucking the life out of my fandom with the politics I was one of those who started watching NASCAR again. I decided to give it another chance when it resumed. Part of me had even thought about trying to seriously get back into NASCAR again. Any chance of that is gone now, they are as dead to me as the NFL and the Saints.
So once again NASCAR screws up a golden opportunity. I don't know any other organization that has screwed up as much as NASCAR has. NASCAR is never going to get the LGBT, Hollywood or even Millennial/Gen Z crowd. All they did was just turn away the few diehard and potential fans they had left. Good job NASCAR.
The downfall of NASCAR from a National Sport that was close to rivaling the NFL in popularity to essentially nothing is pretty amazing.
With the Coronavirus NASCAR was given an amazing opportunity to resurrect itself. NASCAR was the first "semi-major" sport back doing live events during a time when sports fans are starved for any type of content. NASCAR had the sports world to itself and you had people staying at home more with no sports to watch. Never mind you had fans straying away from the NFL due to all the politics that have infiltrated the league. NASCAR could've picked up some of those fans just by staying non-political.
So what does NASCAR do? They go political and go down the same path as the NFL.
Back in the day I was a NASCAR fan. I was a big fan of Bobby Labonte and later Tony Stewart. Even in Stewart's later years I didn't follow NASCAR nearly as much and once Smoke retired I essentially retired.
With the NFL sucking the life out of my fandom with the politics I was one of those who started watching NASCAR again. I decided to give it another chance when it resumed. Part of me had even thought about trying to seriously get back into NASCAR again. Any chance of that is gone now, they are as dead to me as the NFL and the Saints.
So once again NASCAR screws up a golden opportunity. I don't know any other organization that has screwed up as much as NASCAR has. NASCAR is never going to get the LGBT, Hollywood or even Millennial/Gen Z crowd. All they did was just turn away the few diehard and potential fans they had left. Good job NASCAR.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 7:51 am
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 7:43 am to TheSaintsMan
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NASCAR from a National Sport that was close to rivaling the NFL in popularity
Posted on 6/11/20 at 7:47 am to TypoKnig
quote:it was back in the late 90s early 2000s
NASCAR from a National Sport that was close to rivaling the NFL in popularity
NFL was struggling, and nascar was surging
Posted on 6/11/20 at 7:48 am to TypoKnig
TypoKnig at one point it was the #2 spectator sport just behind the NFL. That was before Earnhardt's death.
Go back and look at those races. The tracks couldn't build stands fast enough. NASCAR races were bigger events than your individual NFL games (NFL games on average were getting 65-70,000, NASCAR races were routinely getting over 100,000). The NFL was also in a vulnerable position. QB legends like Montana, Marino, Aikman, Young and Elway had all either retired or were about to retire. Manning, Brady, Brees and Big Ben weren't in the league yet or were still in their early years. The NFL was vulnerable.
It's hard to believe but back in the day NASCAR was a huge deal. There was a reason FOX and NBC snatched up NASCAR quick back in the day.
Go back and look at those races. The tracks couldn't build stands fast enough. NASCAR races were bigger events than your individual NFL games (NFL games on average were getting 65-70,000, NASCAR races were routinely getting over 100,000). The NFL was also in a vulnerable position. QB legends like Montana, Marino, Aikman, Young and Elway had all either retired or were about to retire. Manning, Brady, Brees and Big Ben weren't in the league yet or were still in their early years. The NFL was vulnerable.
It's hard to believe but back in the day NASCAR was a huge deal. There was a reason FOX and NBC snatched up NASCAR quick back in the day.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 7:55 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 7:53 am to TheSaintsMan
If this is the hill you’re gonna die on, you need to re-evaluate what’s important in your life.
My point exactly. And they taught run-on sentences in 4th grade.
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Any chance of that is gone now, they are as dead to me as the NFL and the Saints
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TheSaintsMan
My point exactly. And they taught run-on sentences in 4th grade.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 7:55 am to TheSaintsMan
I remember. It was definitely increasing at a rapid pace in the 90’s and early 2000’s. While it was gaining nationwide popularity, it was definitely more popular in the South.
The most watched race in NASCAR history was the 2006 Daytona 500 with 20 million viewers. The Super Bowl that year had over 90 million viewers. Let’s not act like NASCAR was going to pass the NFL.
The most watched race in NASCAR history was the 2006 Daytona 500 with 20 million viewers. The Super Bowl that year had over 90 million viewers. Let’s not act like NASCAR was going to pass the NFL.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 7:57 am to TheSaintsMan
I think all the cookie cutter tracks is what led to the downfall. That, and moving a lot of tracks out of the south.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:01 am to TypoKnig
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The most watched race in NASCAR history was the 2006 Daytona 500 with 20 million viewers. The Super Bowl that year had over 90 million viewers. Let’s not act like NASCAR was going to pass the NFL.
Bad comparison. The Super Bowl is a different animal altogether. The vast majority of those 90 million viewers watching could care less about the game. They are watching either for the commercials or just because their friends are watching. The Super Bowl is more of a cultural event than it is a sporting event.
My point is not that it would ever overtake the NFL, but that it was the #2 sport just behind the NFL. Ahead of MLB, NBA, NHL and all other sports. And in terms of attendance NASCAR races could easily get over 100,000. I used to go to Bristol when they get 160,000 in that place. The Daytona 500 would routinely get 175,000. Talladega would easily get over 150,000. Texas (fricking boring Texas) got almost 200,000 for their first few races back in the day. The Brickyard 400 at Indy would get 300,000. Heck back in 1992 when NASCAR did the first open test at Indy there were over 100,000 people. Not for a race, for a freaking test. How do I know all this? I was there, I was at that test. Back from 1992 to 2008
I was a huge NASCAR fan.
The in person attendance at NASCAR races dwarfed what the NFL got back in the day.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 8:06 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:06 am to TheSaintsMan
But there is one NASCAR race a week. 100,000 fans at a race is certainly a great crowd.
But there are maybe 35 nba games per week. 14-16 nfl games per week. 80-90 MLB games per week. There were probably even 8-10 MLS games per week (more now due to rapid expansion).
The weekly attendance figures were great but it’s hard to compare next to the pro sports leagues that has so much more going on.
But there are maybe 35 nba games per week. 14-16 nfl games per week. 80-90 MLB games per week. There were probably even 8-10 MLS games per week (more now due to rapid expansion).
The weekly attendance figures were great but it’s hard to compare next to the pro sports leagues that has so much more going on.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:06 am to TheSaintsMan
NASCAR- "Well, now that we've fricked up the on-track product, let's see what we can do with the off-track issues."
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:09 am to FightinTigersDammit
I love how the people that start these threads always assume that because the company did something they disagree with that it's a terrible decision...
i remember all the threads saying Nike screwed up by signing Kaepernick... then it made them a shitload of money
i remember all the threads saying Nike screwed up by signing Kaepernick... then it made them a shitload of money
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:10 am to FightinTigersDammit
Enough about the past though, that's not what this topic is about. The fact is NASCAR had a golden opportunity being the only sport on. NASCAR and NHL were the only two major sports left that hadn't gone political. NASCAR had an opportunity to stay non-political and potentially get some NFL fans that were dismayed by what the NFL has become. In typical NASCAR fashion though they screwed that up in a matter of days and IMO just signed the death certificate for the sport.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:11 am to sgallo3
I mean, NASCAR has made a ridiculous number of bad decisions
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:23 am to rich4pres
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I think all the cookie cutter tracks is what led to the downfall. That, and moving a lot of tracks out of the south.
I think it was after that, but that was part of the problem. I think it started with no more racing to the yellow line, then they way they tried to go to a playoff,and then the stupid car they came up with. Then all the people who brought in fans got old, and retired, and were replaced by people for the most part that had no personality. I was a big fan in 80's and 90's, and for me it's when they started with the yellow line, and then ditching the way they crowned champions. I was always a fan of the driver with the most consistent finishes usually winding up as the champion.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 8:39 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:27 am to TheSaintsMan
NASCAR screwed up when they caved to media pressure to change the entire fabric of the sport with “The Chase” and the annually change and expand the qualification to make the chase.
Media and casual fans didn’t want to take the time to learn the season long points format and that the “championship” was an endurance and consistency award, not just for winning the most races.
It’s the same mistake MLB is making with their new rule change to try and get more fans.
Media and casual fans didn’t want to take the time to learn the season long points format and that the “championship” was an endurance and consistency award, not just for winning the most races.
It’s the same mistake MLB is making with their new rule change to try and get more fans.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:29 am to crash1211
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I think it was after that, but that was part of the problem. I think it started with no more racing to the yellow line, then they way they tried to go to a playoff,and then the stupid car they came up with. Then all the people who brought in fans got old, and retired, and were replaced by people for the most part that had no personality. I was a big fan in 80's and 90's, and for me it's when they started with the yellow line, and then ditching the way the crowned champions. I was always a fan of the driver with the most consistent finishes usually winding up as the champion.
Agreed here. In reality it was a lot of different decisions but the playoff has hurt NASCAR the most. To me it makes the regular season almost meaningless. Especially now, win a race, you can essentially relax until the playoffs.
I didn't like all the cookie cutter tracks but that didn't deter me. Taking away racing back to the yellow was a big mistake. I also hate the out of bounds line at Daytona and Talladega. Doing that has caused far more wrecks than it's prevented. Why they keep insisting on that line is beyond me.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:31 am to TheSaintsMan
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NASCAR is never going to get the LGBT, Hollywood or even Millennial/Gen Z crowd. All they did was just turn away the few diehard and potential fans they had left
and kept their sponsors. They care about sponsors, not dumbshit hillbillies like yourself
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:34 am to lsutigers1992
Says the Dim that bitches about everything Trump
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:36 am to redneck
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and kept their sponsors. They care about sponsors, not dumb shite hillbillies like yourself
Remind me how many sponsors are going to stay on when next to nobody is watching the races? Those hillbilly fans are the only fans NASCAR essentially has left. NASCAR has tried to court the younger generations as well as Urban, LGBT and Hollywood crowds for 25 years and they've never succeeded in large numbers. They aren't going to succeed now.
The only younger people who watch the sport are those who grew up with the sport. My uncle started taking me to races when I was around 10 years old and we both have the same opinion about the Confederate Flag and about Politics. So the younger fans who watch the sport most likely are ones that have the same political opinions that their fathers and grandfathers did. NASCAR isn't going to gain younger fans from this, they are going to lose the few younger fans they have.
Sponsors would've stayed and the core fanbase wouldn't be outraged right now if NASCAR had just stayed non-political. But they had to go down the same sewer that the NFL is going down.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 8:40 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:40 am to TheSaintsMan
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Sponsors would've stayed
Have you watched any TV in the past month? TV shows are being cancelled because they feature cops, Drew Brees is getting death threats because he wants everyone to stand for the national anthem, people are losing jobs for liking other peoples posts on twitter.
The social media mob has taken over and you can bet your arse sponsors would drop like flies if NASCAR didn't get behind BLM and people started boycotting the sponsors because of it. The Kyle Larson N bomb video would be all over the place.
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