TheSaintsMan

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That was an excellent movie. I liked chamberlains address to his Maine unit at little round top. Very stirring.

But I will take issue with why men fight, and I have had this said to me by veterans and by soldiers throughout history.
Men and women don’t fight and die for ideals, ideology, land, oil, property, home or family.
Men and women fight and die for the one to their left and the one to their right. Personal obligation to support their unit comprises all “bravery”. It’s a solemn commitment.

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To me what was so good about the movie was that they tried to look at it from a neutral historical context. They didn't approach the movie with a "North good/South evil" like almost anyone today would.

I agree that Chamberlains address was a highlight of the movie.

In terms of why men and women fight and die, I agree they don't for land, oil, property or ideology. That's why we've failed so miserably with all the Middle East wars. We're essentially fighting so some oil tycoons can get rich.

I disagree about home and family though. That's exactly why most people fight and die. To protect their family and their community. If black people (or even liberal whites) take the approach that all white people are evil they are eventually going to try to make it out to the suburbs and they won't care about your family. So who will defend your family? The cops? They'll be completely neutered. You alone? Sure you might take out a couple of them but eventually the mob will get to you and your family.

I agree that it's a solemn commitment and that a person will have loyalty to their unit. That they will sacrifice for their unit in the heat of the moment. But deep down family and their community are exactly why people fight.

I went on Ebay today and bought Gettysburg Director's Cut Blu-ray (have it on DVD currently), God's and Generals (not my favorite but still good) and Gone With the Wind. Looking at Ken Burns Civil War as well.

You have to imagine any type of material that doesn't paint the Confederacy as murdering rapist racists will eventually be removed from any major site like Ebay or Amazon.

So definitely buy the stuff while you can.

Gettysburg

When White Men were proud to be White Men. Watch this whole thing and tell me this honestly doesn't make you at least somewhat emotional. This is from Gettysburg, my favorite Civil War movie and one of my favorite history movies. This whole scene was unscripted. The extras playing the Confederate soldiers did this randomly. It was not meant to be a part of the film but the director liked it so much he put it in there. I'm really surprised that YouTube has allowed this clip to stay up.

I don't care what a single person today says. With the exception of those who have also served in the Military, Robert E. Lee, the other Confederate Generals and the Men who fought for the Confederacy were more American than almost any of our boys today (and yes the boy term is intentional, very few Men today). I would've absolutely followed Robert E. Lee into battle. Everyone who fought in the Civil War had more Patriotism in one finger than most Americans today will ever have.

This is what proud White Men need to teach their children because the government never will. The Confederacy was wrong on Slavery, I don't defend Slavery in any way, but they were right on government overreach. The Confederacy knew what the federal government could become if left unchecked and they fought against that. We now see why they fought. We haven't truly had state rights since the Civil War and what few rights we do have get eroded more and more each day.

I don't care what anyone says, I would fight for any of the Generals in the Civil War, Union or Confederate. Those were Men worth following. Those were Men that you would gladly give your life for, because you knew they would give their life for you. That's why the left hates Trump, he's a Man and not afraid to stand by his convictions. He's the first President in my lifetime that I would follow into battle. He's the first President in my lifetime that I would die for. Part of me truly believes I was born in the wrong time.

All of this unrest has showed me one thing. You need to find out right now who your true friends are and who would put a knife in your back if it benefited them. Some of those people who would betray you might even be family. I am absolutely keeping track of who my true friends are. As the old saying goes, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

I truly believe that this country is about to unravel into chaos. People are too afraid to admit it but the Second Civil War has begun. This time it's worse though, it's right vs left, country vs city. No area of the country will be spared fighting. People on the left will have no honor like the Union and Confederate Generals did. We are fighting for our race, our values and our very way of life.

You know what's really going to be funny. The first race they are allowing limited fans at is Talladega. You don't get any more Southern than Talladega and that track is always where I saw the most Confederate flags at.

It's going to be hilarious when they can't sell out 5,000 seats. :rotflmao:

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and kept their sponsors. They care about sponsors, not dumb shite hillbillies like yourself

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Remind me how many sponsors are going to stay on when next to nobody is watching the races? Those hillbilly fans are the only fans NASCAR essentially has left. NASCAR has tried to court the younger generations as well as Urban, LGBT and Hollywood crowds for 25 years and they've never succeeded in large numbers. They aren't going to succeed now.

The only younger people who watch the sport are those who grew up with the sport. My uncle started taking me to races when I was around 10 years old and we both have the same opinion about the Confederate Flag and about Politics. So the younger fans who watch the sport most likely are ones that have the same political opinions that their fathers and grandfathers did. NASCAR isn't going to gain younger fans from this, they are going to lose the few younger fans they have.

Sponsors would've stayed and the core fanbase wouldn't be outraged right now if NASCAR had just stayed non-political. But they had to go down the same sewer that the NFL is going down.

Enough about the past though, that's not what this topic is about. The fact is NASCAR had a golden opportunity being the only sport on. NASCAR and NHL were the only two major sports left that hadn't gone political. NASCAR had an opportunity to stay non-political and potentially get some NFL fans that were dismayed by what the NFL has become. In typical NASCAR fashion though they screwed that up in a matter of days and IMO just signed the death certificate for the sport.

TypoKnig at one point it was the #2 spectator sport just behind the NFL. That was before Earnhardt's death.

Go back and look at those races. The tracks couldn't build stands fast enough. NASCAR races were bigger events than your individual NFL games (NFL games on average were getting 65-70,000, NASCAR races were routinely getting over 100,000). The NFL was also in a vulnerable position. QB legends like Montana, Marino, Aikman, Young and Elway had all either retired or were about to retire. Manning, Brady, Brees and Big Ben weren't in the league yet or were still in their early years. The NFL was vulnerable.

It's hard to believe but back in the day NASCAR was a huge deal. There was a reason FOX and NBC snatched up NASCAR quick back in the day.

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Do you want Nascar off the air now?

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Would be fine by me. NASCAR has been dead for 15 years now. Some say it died when Earnhardt died. I would agree that it's status of challenging the NFL died that day but NASCAR itself was still very big. The COT was what really killed NASCAR.

Now that they have gone the BLM route I'm done with them just like I'm done with the Saints.

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those will be banned from nascar very soon

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Except for the fact that NASCAR doesn't technically own all the tracks. They own about half the tracks on the circuit but others are either owned by Bruton Smith (SMI: Charlotte, Atlanta, Bristol, Vegas, Texas, Kentucky, New Hampshire and Sonoma from what I remember) or are Independently owned (Indy, Pocono, Dover). That constitutes 16 of the 36 races on the schedule.

Now given I'm sure NASCAR could try to strong arm those tracks into banning Confederate Flags from the infields. With that said you'll still have a bunch of Confederate Flags in the campgrounds surrounding the speedway. That's private property and NASCAR can't do a thing about those. With that said like others have said it's not like NASCAR has to worry about many fans anymore.

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I hate arguing hypotheticals, but no he would of done the same thing as Drew. You’re too angry if you don’t agree.

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You're right it is hard arguing hypotheticals. But we'll have to agree to disagree. I absolutely do not think he would've done the same as Drew. He would've retired before doing that.