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re: NASCAR is dying - possible Brickyard 400 on the road course in 2018
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:57 pm to tWildcat
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:57 pm to tWildcat
quote:I agree. The first few years it was interesting just because it was NASCAR running at the Brickyard. But after a few races it became the most boring race on the schedule because the track and the cars just don't work together.
I actually think they should take the brickyard off the schedule completely, most boring racetrack on the schedule.
Add in to that the tire issue they had about 7 years ago or so where they were having to throw the yellow every 20 laps to keep the field from blowing a tire and wrecking. I think that turned a lot of folks off.
Also, when NASCAR first started running in Indy, only the Cup cars ran at the Brickyard. Trucks and Busch/Xfinity ran at the short track. Now they run Xfinity on the big track as well, and it takes away some of the uniqueness.
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Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:20 pm to TU Rob
quote:Screw all of the delays and cancellation because of rain - but rain tires on and go - have at least two races a year were the cars come off the showroom floor and see what the crews can do with actual stock cars.
Take away one of the biggest races of the year to add another road course? I just wanna see them go fast and turn left.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 4:27 pm to TU Rob
Nascar is dying on the vine. The rubes who have always enjoyed watching the shiny cars turn to the left and make loud noises is passing away. It's always been a "sport" for mental midgets.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 5:18 pm to TU Rob
There should have been a road course in the chase for years now, but probably didn't happen because the two major track ownership groups (one of which the France family has a major stake in) couldn't come to an agreement on which track would lose a chase race and which road course would get a spot in the chase.
NASCAR is hell bent on not doing anything that would bring excitement to the sport with the schedule in order to appease the two major track ownership groups. That's why the whole schedule is 1.5 mile tracks and it's not going to change any time soon. They'll kind of redistribute the number of races each 1.5 track gets each year based on attendance but that's about it. There's no incentive for anyone who builds a new race track/facility to even pursue NASCAR because the track would never get on the cup schedule.
They change the format of the all star race every single year to try and get people excited but really there is no reason to watch it. The changes in rules/format of that race every year kind of exemplify how NASCAR will change literally everything, but not the real problem which is the type of tracks and racing that make up the majority of the cup schedule. I know it's a break for the drivers and their families to be close to where many of them live, but move the dang race around. There are a bunch of close tracks in NC that would be awesome to see packed full of people for an all star race. Pack out North Wilkesboro or Rockingham and make it an event all about the fans. There are so many tracks in the US that could benefit from holding the all star race (NASCAR could also promote more grass roots racing and make the tracks safer in the process, but you know, money) and it's easier to just move the all star race than move other races on the schedule. That would be a start.
If they race the Charlotte road course it will be terrible. Because of the nature of the road course/oval set up, the cars will get really strung out during the race and it won't be fun to watch. It will be novel, but not exciting racing.
Also, Stage racing is awful and was basically invented so that NASCAR could sell more advertisement time.
NASCAR is hell bent on not doing anything that would bring excitement to the sport with the schedule in order to appease the two major track ownership groups. That's why the whole schedule is 1.5 mile tracks and it's not going to change any time soon. They'll kind of redistribute the number of races each 1.5 track gets each year based on attendance but that's about it. There's no incentive for anyone who builds a new race track/facility to even pursue NASCAR because the track would never get on the cup schedule.
They change the format of the all star race every single year to try and get people excited but really there is no reason to watch it. The changes in rules/format of that race every year kind of exemplify how NASCAR will change literally everything, but not the real problem which is the type of tracks and racing that make up the majority of the cup schedule. I know it's a break for the drivers and their families to be close to where many of them live, but move the dang race around. There are a bunch of close tracks in NC that would be awesome to see packed full of people for an all star race. Pack out North Wilkesboro or Rockingham and make it an event all about the fans. There are so many tracks in the US that could benefit from holding the all star race (NASCAR could also promote more grass roots racing and make the tracks safer in the process, but you know, money) and it's easier to just move the all star race than move other races on the schedule. That would be a start.
If they race the Charlotte road course it will be terrible. Because of the nature of the road course/oval set up, the cars will get really strung out during the race and it won't be fun to watch. It will be novel, but not exciting racing.
Also, Stage racing is awful and was basically invented so that NASCAR could sell more advertisement time.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 5:53 pm to genuineLSUtiger
NASCAR is a victim of our declining attention spans. You have to invest a lot of time to really form an opinion of drivers and teams.
Just watching cars go in a circle for hours... ain't nobody got time for dat.
Attendance in Texas has cratered while the DFW population has exploded (esp. the northern part).
Just watching cars go in a circle for hours... ain't nobody got time for dat.
Attendance in Texas has cratered while the DFW population has exploded (esp. the northern part).
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 6:01 pm to TejasHorn
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Just watching cars go in a circle for hours... ain't nobody got time for dat.
The lowest common denominator amongst us will always be fascinated by shiny things rotating in a circle and making loud noises. It's like a baby staring slack jawed at a mobil above it's crib. Drink a few Natty Lights, stick in some Red Man, turn on some Hank in the background and you've got yourself a full Sunday of fun in the South.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 6:06 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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The 9 straight years of falling attendance has to be alarming for NASCAR officials.
Considering the fall of tv ratings across the board I was use the term concerning but that's kind of splitting hairs
Posted on 5/12/17 at 6:12 pm to Wishnitwas1998
You have to wonder if NASCAR ever saw this coming? I mean, 9 straight years of plummeting attendance and ratings is jarring to say the least.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 6:27 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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genuineLSUtiger
Jesus, dude, we get it, you hate NASCAR
Posted on 5/12/17 at 6:34 pm to TbirdSpur2010
He's so edgy.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 7:58 pm to Paul Allen
You know i have no idea, after Earnhardt was killed they had to know that eventually their established star power was gonna wain but I don't think the decline has much to do with that honestly
There are external factors that are responsible for some, but not all, of the decline IMO. The main two being our shortening attention spans and of course cord cutting in general. NASCAR is not a sport made for short attention spans at all, it's the worst thing that could happen to our sport as boring (to ppl who don't truly enjoy racing) stretches are inevitable
As far as things NASCAR has done that have hurt them is they have managed to not attract any new fans while in the process of trying to do that they have alienated many in their traditional base by going to the Chase and leaving some traditional tracks
FTR I'm very much a traditionalist but I enjoy the stage racing and think it's a good addition and while I do not like the chase system I do believe this format is the best one they have had yet
Honestly if NASCAR becomes desperate the safest thing for them to do is just to revert everything back to the schedule and format of let's say 1998 to at least recapture the traditional fans they have lost but honestly they are not desperate......not yet anyways
I'll look around for a really long post I made a couple years ago discussing the issues that I think sums it up pretty well then link it
There are external factors that are responsible for some, but not all, of the decline IMO. The main two being our shortening attention spans and of course cord cutting in general. NASCAR is not a sport made for short attention spans at all, it's the worst thing that could happen to our sport as boring (to ppl who don't truly enjoy racing) stretches are inevitable
As far as things NASCAR has done that have hurt them is they have managed to not attract any new fans while in the process of trying to do that they have alienated many in their traditional base by going to the Chase and leaving some traditional tracks
FTR I'm very much a traditionalist but I enjoy the stage racing and think it's a good addition and while I do not like the chase system I do believe this format is the best one they have had yet
Honestly if NASCAR becomes desperate the safest thing for them to do is just to revert everything back to the schedule and format of let's say 1998 to at least recapture the traditional fans they have lost but honestly they are not desperate......not yet anyways
I'll look around for a really long post I made a couple years ago discussing the issues that I think sums it up pretty well then link it
Posted on 5/12/17 at 8:24 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Sounds good
Posted on 5/12/17 at 8:26 pm to TU Rob
quote:
I just wanna see them go fast and turn left.
This is why viewership is down. It's terribly boring.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 8:31 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Here is a post of mine from Feb of 2016:
I'll say a few things, firstly the talk of NASCAR's demise has been wayyyyy overstated. People make the "decline" seem way bigger than it actually is
Now some problems I see that have happened is that the chase, while actually a good thing IMO as long as you realize it lessens the significance of winning a championship, alienated a lot of the older fans.
Used to be that NASCAR arguably had the mist legit champ in Sports bc the driver who win it had to run well the entirety of the season and couldn't just get hot at the end. Now NASCAR is much like the other big 4 sports in that while you have to perform well enough to reach the playoffs, you don't have to be one of the elite teams to win it if you get hit at the right time
Now as far as the product on the race track, they have increasingly added downforce and made the tires too good to where there is not much tire wear at most tracks. this makes it much easier to drive the car and takes much of the results out of the drivers hands and into the equipment while also making it harder to pass (being able to pass creates good racing).
Supposedly they have recognized this issue and had Goodyear make tired that will give up as a run goes on and have swapped to a package with less downforce. Fixing those two things will go a long way to improving the racing
Finally I'll say they messed up when they left tracks like Rockingham and went to tracks like California and Kansas. There is a place for a track or two of that style on the schedule but it became overloaded with them, the "back to its roots" meme is overplayed but this is a case where it's necessary.
The good news is they seem to have recognized the down force/tire wear problem and IMO the track situation will take care of itself over the next 10-15 years as those tracks fade in attendance (racing was more of a fad in those areas) NASCAR will be forced to return to tracks that can draw
I'll say a few things, firstly the talk of NASCAR's demise has been wayyyyy overstated. People make the "decline" seem way bigger than it actually is
Now some problems I see that have happened is that the chase, while actually a good thing IMO as long as you realize it lessens the significance of winning a championship, alienated a lot of the older fans.
Used to be that NASCAR arguably had the mist legit champ in Sports bc the driver who win it had to run well the entirety of the season and couldn't just get hot at the end. Now NASCAR is much like the other big 4 sports in that while you have to perform well enough to reach the playoffs, you don't have to be one of the elite teams to win it if you get hit at the right time
Now as far as the product on the race track, they have increasingly added downforce and made the tires too good to where there is not much tire wear at most tracks. this makes it much easier to drive the car and takes much of the results out of the drivers hands and into the equipment while also making it harder to pass (being able to pass creates good racing).
Supposedly they have recognized this issue and had Goodyear make tired that will give up as a run goes on and have swapped to a package with less downforce. Fixing those two things will go a long way to improving the racing
Finally I'll say they messed up when they left tracks like Rockingham and went to tracks like California and Kansas. There is a place for a track or two of that style on the schedule but it became overloaded with them, the "back to its roots" meme is overplayed but this is a case where it's necessary.
The good news is they seem to have recognized the down force/tire wear problem and IMO the track situation will take care of itself over the next 10-15 years as those tracks fade in attendance (racing was more of a fad in those areas) NASCAR will be forced to return to tracks that can draw
Posted on 5/12/17 at 8:46 pm to Wishnitwas1998
quote:
Used to be that NASCAR arguably had the mist legit champ in Sports
This is one of my biggest beefs.
I'll also add that all the fans who jumped on the bandwagon in the 1990s are moving to whatever the new 'hot' thing is. (I will refrain from calling those people 'Jeff Gordon fans').
Posted on 5/12/17 at 9:02 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Being a Jeff Gordon fan myself I'm gonna refute that just a bit
For one thing if Jeff Gordon fans who have now moved on were responsible for the boom why was Gordon routinely booed off the track by 70-80% of the crowd ~2000?
For one thing if Jeff Gordon fans who have now moved on were responsible for the boom why was Gordon routinely booed off the track by 70-80% of the crowd ~2000?
Posted on 5/12/17 at 9:42 pm to tWildcat
I've been waiting for the brickyard to get scrapped and Iowa put on the schedule. Worst thing the Frances have done is this 5 year deal with the tracks. A) most of these tracks don't deserve two dates - Charlotte, Texas, and Dover need to be 1 race. B) The playoff races mostly suck because they're majority 1.5 milers and C) The truck season gets 3 races for the first near three months of the schedule.
Blow up the schedule and start over. Have tracks compete for events like the all star race and the championship weekend. Why must those two races be at Charlotte and Miami every year?
Blow up the schedule and start over. Have tracks compete for events like the all star race and the championship weekend. Why must those two races be at Charlotte and Miami every year?
Posted on 5/12/17 at 10:01 pm to Horsemeat
I sort of agree with you but then I sort of don't
1. Charlotte due to its proximity to most all the teams will always have two races, whether it deserves it or not (as far as tracks to complain about, I don't dislike charlotte near as much as several other tracks)
2. I'm not crazy about Dover myself but I'm hesitant to get rid of one of its races just bc at least it's a unique track and isn't cookie cutter like so many others we have. We get rid of those then I'm fine talking about Dover
3. Agreed about Texas, honestly I wouldn't care if they got rid of Texas entirely
4. Add Vegas/California/Kansas/Chicago to that list
5. Unfortunately the truck schedule gap is a necessary evil. They want them to be able to race at Daytona but they Try to push the rest of the races as late as possible to give younger guys not out of high school yet the chance to finish school but also compete
1. Charlotte due to its proximity to most all the teams will always have two races, whether it deserves it or not (as far as tracks to complain about, I don't dislike charlotte near as much as several other tracks)
2. I'm not crazy about Dover myself but I'm hesitant to get rid of one of its races just bc at least it's a unique track and isn't cookie cutter like so many others we have. We get rid of those then I'm fine talking about Dover
3. Agreed about Texas, honestly I wouldn't care if they got rid of Texas entirely
4. Add Vegas/California/Kansas/Chicago to that list
5. Unfortunately the truck schedule gap is a necessary evil. They want them to be able to race at Daytona but they Try to push the rest of the races as late as possible to give younger guys not out of high school yet the chance to finish school but also compete
Posted on 5/12/17 at 10:10 pm to Wishnitwas1998
I have went from wouldn't miss a race a in my 20's to mid 30's. I don't think I have watched more than part of two races all year. I have come to the point where until their is a change in leadership I probably won't be back.
Brian France has ran the product into the ground. Sadly nobody will be able to stop him before he kills it all together.
Racing in general is a dying sport. Just look at the number of shuttered dirt tracks over the last decade. The ones still in business are fighting for the few cars left. Everything has just gotten to expensive when it comes to owning a car.
Brian France has ran the product into the ground. Sadly nobody will be able to stop him before he kills it all together.
Racing in general is a dying sport. Just look at the number of shuttered dirt tracks over the last decade. The ones still in business are fighting for the few cars left. Everything has just gotten to expensive when it comes to owning a car.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 12:16 am to beebefootballfan
NASCAR hit lightning in a bottle. Without the personalities, why care about what's going on out there when they aren't even close to the fastest cars in the world? What's going to be interesting is eventually something will fill the void of NASCAR that more fits the modern era.
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