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re: Most Overrated Statistic in Sports?
Posted on 2/26/13 at 4:15 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 2/26/13 at 4:15 pm to Bunk Moreland
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VB beat me to i
Bunk, if you have to write this, it's time to rethink your life.
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 4:16 pm to dukke v
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Back in the GOOD OLD days.. Saves mattered little and starting pitchers wins were much more importatnt than todays
They invented saves as a stat in the late 60's or early 70's, but didn't start playing to it until the 90's really. I still rank wins by a pitcher as the #2 most over rated stat because so much beyond the pitchers control affects it. However, they pitch far fewer innings today than 40 years ago. I'd be curious if it has resulted in fewer injuries or longer careers. I suspect not and I do think it's resulted in better pitching over all.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 4:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
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They invented saves as a stat in the late 60's or early 70's, but didn't start playing to it until the 90's really
They started in the 80's and the 1st BIG save guy was Bruce sutter when he started getting like 45 a year for the Cards. And ECK came into OOakland in the late 80,s, But back when the Orioles had 4 20 game winners[1971] was a golden age of baseball. NOW its all the SPECIALTY bullshite and pitchers that come in to get ONE batter out. It sucks BIGTIME compared to the good old days.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 4:20 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Just focus on INTs. The +/- aspect is not as important as say assists/TOs for a point guard.
fair enough, however we need to define over rated. Just because a stat is mentioned does not mean everyone over values it. 8 INT's is a good number for 500 PA in the NFL. If the same QB only had 10 TD's he would probably not be very good.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 4:23 pm to dukke v
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They started in the 80's and the 1st BIG save guy was Bruce sutter when he started getting like 45 a year for the Cards. And ECK came into OOakland in the late 80,s
Right and you had guys like Quisenberry, Lee Smith and Franco, but over 40 saves was somewhat rare and we only had a couple of guys like that. I guess it really started to get out of hand in the late 80's with guys coming in in every possible save situation. But by the mid 90's it was just stupid. Didn't some one, Thigpen maybe have 50+ saves for a team that wasn't even .500
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 2/26/13 at 4:27 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Any stat that isn't on a per attempt basis.
For example... 25 ppg means nothing if you took 100 shots in a game.
certainly context is important, however, typically a guy that shots 12.5% from the floor will not be on the floor enough to avg 25ppg. The flip side of course is that a guy that hits 80% of his shots but avg 4ppg is not really a good offensive player.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 4:38 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Didn't some one, Thigpen maybe have 50+ saves for a team that wasn't even .500
57 saves... Sad indeed. You want an impressive pitching stat that may change your mind about wins........... Steve Carlton won 27 games in 1972 and the Philles won only 59 games. AMAZING.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 4:39 pm to elprez00
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W/L for P
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 5:39 pm to elprez00
RBI
Posted on 2/26/13 at 5:42 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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RBI
If you say RBI............ I say Home Runs.............. The record for a single season RBI total is 190 by Hack Wikson in 1930. It will NEVER be broken. The HR record is SOOOOO Tarnished nowadays its pathetic.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 5:45 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Baseball: Saves and W/L for pitchers.
Basketball: PER and FG%
Football: Touchdowns (yes I know they are important, but individual players get FAR too much credit for each of their TDS).
Hockey: Who gives a shite?
Soccer: See above.
NASCAR: Poles. You started first. Congrats. Where did you finish?
Basketball: PER and FG%
Football: Touchdowns (yes I know they are important, but individual players get FAR too much credit for each of their TDS).
Hockey: Who gives a shite?
Soccer: See above.
NASCAR: Poles. You started first. Congrats. Where did you finish?
Posted on 2/26/13 at 5:47 pm to RonBurgundy
Has anybody said halftime score? Yeah thats pretty overrated.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 5:48 pm to Pierce Hawthorne
Sacks in football.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 6:01 pm to elprez00
W/L for professional Softball pitchers
Posted on 2/26/13 at 6:17 pm to dukke v
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You want an impressive pitching stat that may change your mind about wins........... Steve Carlton won 27 games in 1972 and the Philles won only 59 games. AMAZING.
That is amazing, it is also a statiscial anomoly, more impressive was his 1.97 ERA and .99 WHIP.
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If you say RBI............ I say Home Runs.............. The record for a single season RBI total is 190 by Hack Wikson in 1930. It will NEVER be broken. The HR record is SOOOOO Tarnished nowadays its pathetic.
It's not the record that is over rated it is the stat itself. In order to have an RBI, there has to be a runner on base in front of the hitter, which he has no control over. A guy hits the ball over the fence, he does that all on his own.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 6:17 pm to tzimme4
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Has anybody said halftime score? Yeah thats pretty overrated
no because no one rates it as important.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 6:18 pm to elprez00
Passing yardage
NB4Brees
NB4Brees
Posted on 2/26/13 at 6:20 pm to WITNESS23
In baseball, W/L record and saves are overrated by the average fan, WAR is overrated by many stat guys. Nobody can agree on the best way to measure WAR and some(not all) stat guys use WAR as a crutch to decide the best player. Using one stat to judge a player seems to go against the original purpose of sabermetrics. WAR should be used as a companion to other stats when looking at a player.
One case of WAR having some flaws is Ricky Nolasco in 2009. Ricky Nolasco had a 4.3 Fangraph WAR (which uses FIP) while Clayton Kershaw had a WAR of 4.1 and Jered Weaver's WAR was 3.8 . Nolasco's ERA in 2009 was 5.06 while Kershaw's ERA was 2.79 and Weaver's ERA was 3.75 in the AL. Meanwhile Baseball-Reference's gave Nolasco a WAR of 0.5 in 2009. That's nearly a 4 WAR difference in two sites!
One case of WAR having some flaws is Ricky Nolasco in 2009. Ricky Nolasco had a 4.3 Fangraph WAR (which uses FIP) while Clayton Kershaw had a WAR of 4.1 and Jered Weaver's WAR was 3.8 . Nolasco's ERA in 2009 was 5.06 while Kershaw's ERA was 2.79 and Weaver's ERA was 3.75 in the AL. Meanwhile Baseball-Reference's gave Nolasco a WAR of 0.5 in 2009. That's nearly a 4 WAR difference in two sites!
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 2/26/13 at 6:22 pm to TheCaterpillar
W/L for a pitcher is almost meaningless.
Also, strikeouts for a batter is pretty meaningless. I haven't looked it up, but I'd bet since 1990, the top teams in runs scored were also among the top strikeout teams.
Also, strikeouts for a batter is pretty meaningless. I haven't looked it up, but I'd bet since 1990, the top teams in runs scored were also among the top strikeout teams.
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 2/26/13 at 6:23 pm to motorbreath
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Also, strikeouts for a batter is pretty meaningless.
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