re: Most over-rated

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This is what USC fans are simply incapable of grasping. Each and every team assented to the BCS system well before the 2003 season began. They agreed that the BCS and the BCS alone would determine who played in the championship game.

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There is where you are wrong and grasping for straws. Not one coach, conference team, etc, agreed that the BCS alone would determine the NC's. The agreement was rather simple.
In sum, this is what was agreed upon:
1- The BCS will use the formula de jour, consisting of XYZ polls, computer rankings etc to determine the top 8 teams in the BCS.
2- The following bowls are designated as BCS Bowls- Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta
3- The winners of the following conferences automatically qualify for a BCS bowl" ACC, SEC, Big East, PAC-10, Big 10.
4- One champion from CUSA, the MAC, MWC, WAC, or Sun Belt qualifies for a BCS game if : they are in the top 12 BCS, or, ranked in the top 16 of BCS and is higher than that of a champion of BCS conference
5. Notre Dame will get special consideration if within the top 8, but no other team not from a conference listed above. After all, they are ND
6. If all BCS bowl game slots are not filled, it will be filled via ______________
7- Teams will go to designated bowls
8.- The top 2 teams in the BCS standings will play each other in a BCS bowl (later moved to the week after a BCS bowl) in what is called the BCS NC game
6. The winner of #1 vs. #2 in the BCS rankings will be voted NC by the coaches' poll, made by prior agreement.

No more no less was agreed to. Nothing about disbanding the AP NC or the BCS being the only NC.

If I read the title right--it says top 5 overrated coaches. How in the hell does this thread end up in a USC/LSU pissing contest? I guess we've never had a thread on that before.

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no way in hell meyer is on that list.

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My pick of Meyer is relative- it's based on the amount of hype he gets, Saban is the same. It's not to say that they aren't good coaches, but that they are overhyped, that's what I intrepreted the thread to ask, "Over-rated". That only means that your hype does not live up to reality.

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1. Charlie Weis
2. Steve Spurrier
3. Mack Brown
4. Phil Fulmer
5. Frank Beamer

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Good list.

For a while this thread was like a time machine back to the rant in 2004. And those that say Carroll is overrated are nuts.

I’ll defend Beamer as a great coach. He friggin’ BUILT the Virginia Tech program. Before he arrived, the mere concept of VT “underachieving” was laughable at best. They were a complete non-factor in the national scene before he arrived, and he managed to turn a nothing independent into the power of the Big East and now the ACC. He even played for a national title. At Virginia Tech. People don’t willingly go to Blacksburg.

My overrated list –
TEDFORD. Never won anything and for a guy who is fabled as a QB guru, all of his QB’s bomb in the NFL. Maybe I just hate him as a residuary of my hatred of Kyle Boller.

WEISS. Though he is quickly falling off the “rated” list so it might be hard to overrate him soon.

GROH. I can’t believe this guy is considered a good coach despite winning next to nothing in his entire career. Just because you once got hired by an NFL team, it does not mean you are suddenly a coaching genius.

SABAN. I’m not a Saban basher, but come on, the guy has had one great season in his coaching career and he is one of the highest paid coaches in football. LSU was madly inconsistent under him. I don’t think he sucks, but how about he stay at a program for more than four years before we crown him as a great coach?

FERENTZ. I was a huge fan of his, but his program has fallen apart. It was an illusion.

Ferentz certainly deserves to be on the list, but Iowa is surprising me so far this year. They're going to be light years ahead of where they were last year despite the big scandal going on (but I guess that isn't really saying much).

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Pete Carroll should really be in there.


Ever since Reggie, Lendale and Leinart left the team they hasn't been the same since. Losing to Stanford last season and UCLA the year before. Thats Unacceptable with the kind of talent USC has.

Thats Like LSU football losing to Vanderbilt or Miss st. or even worse losing to Tulane.

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Vandy, Miss ST. and Tulane are not on the level that UCLA and Stanford are.

JDB and Mark Sanchez are not the quality of quarterback that Leinart was/is. Enuff said.

It's my opinion that USC's talent was probably overrated by the recruiting services.

Steve Surppier

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TEDFORD. Never won anything and for a guy who is fabled as a QB guru, all of his QB’s bomb in the NFL. Maybe I just hate him as a residuary of my hatred of Kyle Boller.

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Unless you've lived in the Bay Area you have no idea how little support there is for athletics at Cal. Cal fields teams in 27 NCAA sports with an athletics department budget of around $40 million. (By comparison LSU's athletic department budget is over $63 million for 20 teams.) So if anything, Tedford overachieves by winning with QB's who lack NFL skills. The fact that NFL scouts have mistakenly evaluated QB's who played for Tedford is not Tedford's fault. Sorry about Kyle Boller, but that is more Brian Billick's fault.

Football games are still won by teams that block and tackle. Cal has been able to recruit some outstanding players at skill positions, but Cal has not been able to recruit enough talent on the offensive and defensive lines to be championship contenders. They have been a media darling because of Tedford's offensive game planning, and the skills of his players have allowed them to score lots of points. However, at some point during every season Cal's lack of depth becomes painfully evident when they lose games due to minor injuries to starters or fatigue.

I think Tedford would be frightening at a school where he got full support of the administration, and a decent recruiting base. Just as you assert,

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People don’t willingly go to Blacksburg.

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football players don't go willingly to Cal.

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Ever since Reggie, Lendale and Leinart left the team they hasn't been the same since. Losing to Stanford last season and UCLA the year before. Thats Unacceptable with the kind of talent USC has.

Thats Like LSU football losing to Vanderbilt or Miss st. or even worse losing to Tulane.

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You know absolutely ZERO about PAC 10 football.