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re: More egregious decision by Seattle.....
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:12 am to BBATiger
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:12 am to BBATiger
The more and more u look at it, the more it becomes a great play by New England d(browner to stuff Kearse and butler jumping the route) and not just Seattle giving away the game.
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:13 am to 632627
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The more and more u look at it, the more it becomes a great play by New England d
It shouldn't take many times to recognize that.
Brandon Browner knew what was coming way before the ball was snapped and it was apparent that Butler knew shortly after.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:17 am to shawnlsu
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A rollout like you want would take too much time off the clock.
The clock was an advantage for seattle
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The more and more u look at it, the more it becomes a great play by New England d(browner to stuff Kearse and butler jumping the route) and not just Seattle giving away the game.
It was obviously a great play, but one they shouldn't have had the opportunity to make
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 11:18 am
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:23 am to 632627
You are spot on in your analysis.
If you want to pass, boot QB with FB at goal line wide and TE in back of endzone. If covered run QB or throw away.
The throw to the middle had more risk including the pick by the DBor a tipped ball intercepted by another defender.
To me, run it on second down. Throw it on third and fourth if you don't get it.
If you want to pass, boot QB with FB at goal line wide and TE in back of endzone. If covered run QB or throw away.
The throw to the middle had more risk including the pick by the DBor a tipped ball intercepted by another defender.
To me, run it on second down. Throw it on third and fourth if you don't get it.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:33 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Posted by PurpleAndGold86
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The more and more u look at it, the more it becomes a great play by New England d
It shouldn't take many times to recognize that.
Brandon Browner knew what was coming way before the ball was snapped and it was apparent that Butler knew shortly after.
Watching it live, when they went into shotgun formation I was like wtf are they doing. When he didn't handoff I was in shock.
I think the decision to pass was the correct call in hindsight, the route just wasn't the right one.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:23 pm to BBATiger
You nailed it
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:33 pm to rintintin
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receiver is open
But the CB is a half step closer to the goaline than the receiever, which is where he threw the ball.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:38 pm to 632627
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the decision to call the quick slant?
That is a touchdown against 90% of corners in this league.
They just got got. Butler and Browner made an amazing play.
How fast he broke on the ball, and then actually intercepting the ball. Incredible.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:41 pm to BayouBengals03
Lockette outweighs butler by 20 pounds and Butler made him fricking fly on the contact while he never left his feet
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:41 pm to shawnlsu
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A rollout like you want would take too much time off the clock. I agree I wouldn't throw it in the middle of the defense though. As much As I hate the play, that situation is what the fade into the corner of the end zone was made for.
24 seconds is plenty of time to have a rollout pass and still afford an incompletion. It would take maybe 6 seconds off.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:43 pm to wildtigercat93
And he caught the ball.
If that's incomplete, no one is talking about that play today.
If that's incomplete, no one is talking about that play today.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:46 pm to BayouBengals03
West Alabama =DBU
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:51 pm to Chaz95
People need to quit assuming he would run it in. Nobody knows.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:53 pm to 632627
quote:It was undoubtedly a great play so in terms of execution it was more of NE making a great play than Seattle making a mistake. Coaching is another story. Although I credit NE coaches for preparing players for that play, that actually makes Revell's play call look worse in that he relied on an identifiable tendency against one of the elite coaching staffs in the game (who will find those tendencies). So not calling a run was dumb given the high probability of success and low probability of a TO. This was compounded by calling a pass play into the middle of the defense, but worse yet, calling a play that was also obvious enough to be schemed against. A failure on multiple levels.
The more and more u look at it, the more it becomes a great play by New England d(browner to stuff Kearse and butler jumping the route) and not just Seattle giving away the game.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:08 pm to buckeye_vol
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So not calling a run was dumb given the high probability of success and low probability of a TO.
Good artcle from Nate Silver's site on the call that basically says this is not true.
LINK
Basically the outcomes of throwing versus running in that situation are largely the same and may even slightly favor passing given certain assumptions.
The problem wasn't the call to pass, it was specific terrible play call.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:31 pm to usc6158
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it was specific terrible play call.
I wouldn't even go that far. I think people are overblowing the play call simply because it's easy to criticize due to the turnover and having "The Beast" as your RB.
There's a reason they called that play. Perhaps it's something they've run with great success before. (Butler commented on them practicing that play due to Seattle running it often).Perhaps they haven't had great success running the ball in goaline situations (I think a stat has been thrown out that Lynch was 1 for 5 in goaline situations). Also, another stat has been thrown out there saying there were over 100 passes thrown from the 1 yard line this season, of which absolutely zero were intercepted.
It was a decent play, but Sometimes great individual efforts negate decent plays. That's what happened here.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:34 pm to usc6158
quote:Well the 80%+ of scoring on the run play is pretty compelling evidence that the run will be successful. My problem is that the odds they calculated were based on the limited time (i.e., 26 seconds) left when the ball was snapped. It took them over 30 seconds from the time the last play was over until the ball was snapped. They took forever to get set-up for the pass play (I assume to get matchups set for a throw). If they only took a reasonable amount of time (e.g., snapped with 10-12 more seconds left) a run play gives even better odds.
Good artcle from Nate Silver's site on the call that basically says this is not true.
LINK
Basically the outcomes of throwing versus running in that situation are largely the same and may even slightly favor passing given certain assumptions.
The problem wasn't the call to pass, it was specific terrible play call.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:35 pm to 632627
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What was worse, the decision to pass the ball in that situation or the decision to call the quick slant?
For me, I don't really have a problem with them throwing in that situation. If New England is in goal line formation they are 100% selling out to stop the run.
The blunder is running the quick slant for a few reasons, a. (As Steve young said) it takes away one of wilson's best attributes which is his decision making and b. You are throwing the ball right into the teeth of the defense. The correct call would have been play action zone read with Wilson rolling right and a tight end or wr dragging across the back of the end zone(basically the same play that Baldwin scored on in the 3rd quarter). The 2 things I would not have done would be the quick slant or a play action bootleg to the left(wouldn't want Wilson turning his back to the defense in that situation). Even a fade to the corner with that press coverage would have been better.
The slant was retarded. I didn't mind the pass call because if it was incomplete, they would have stopped the clock then they could run the ball on third down.....call a time out if that was stuffed, and then run the ball again on fourth down. But the slant...... I mean that could easily bounce in the air even if it isn't intercepted and then be up for grabs too. I would have called a fade or just anything that was my receiver or nobody.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:35 pm to rintintin
quote:Well Seattle scores a TD running the ball in that position 83% of the time, and NE gives up a rushing TD 81% of the time in that position.
I think a stat has been thrown out that Lynch was 1 for 5 in goaline
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:39 pm to 632627
quote:That they threw was shocking.
What was worse, the decision to pass the ball in that situation or the decision to call the quick slant?
That they didn't throw one of the high percentage "your receiver or no one" type passes was mind boggling.
It really was the stupidest call I've ever seen in a football game when you combine.
1)The fact that their RB is a STUD
2)That he was having a GOOD GAME!!!!
3)That they threw at all
4)That they threw a high risk pass
Carroll coached a good game but that fricker was body snatched by a moron at the worst possible time.
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