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MMA - Does the amount of talent between 145-170 demand another division?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 12:57 pm
FW, LW, WW are all pretty stacked with talent. Top 10 for each division is below.
In my opinion, there's enough talent there to create another division. Would this create too many divisions with a dilution of talent, or should it be done?
I would have 145, 153, 161, 170.
A few changes I could see:
Edgar, Swanson, Stephens seem like legit, true 145ers
Ortega, Holloway, Aldo, Conor, Tony seem like good fits for 153
Lee, Alvarez, Khabib, RDA, good fits for 161
FEATHERWEIGHT
Champion : Max Holloway
1 Brian Ortega
2 Jose Aldo
3 Frankie Edgar
4 Cub Swanson
5 Jeremy Stephens
6 Josh Emmett
7 Ricardo Lamas
8 Chan Sung Jung
9 Renato Moicano
10 Darren Elkins
LIGHTWEIGHT
Champion : Khabib Nurmagomedov
1 Conor McGregor
2 Tony Ferguson
3 Eddie Alvarez
4 Dustin Poirier
5 Edson Barboza
6 Kevin Lee
7 Justin Gaethje
8 Nate Diaz
9 Michael Chiesa
10 Al Iaquinta
WELTERWEIGHT
Champion : Tyron Woodley
1 Stephen Thompson
2 Rafael Dos Anjos
3 Colby Covington
4 Robbie Lawler
5 Demian Maia
6 Jorge Masvidal
7 Kamaru Usman
7 Darren Till
9 Neil Magny
10 Santiago Ponzinibbio
In my opinion, there's enough talent there to create another division. Would this create too many divisions with a dilution of talent, or should it be done?
I would have 145, 153, 161, 170.
A few changes I could see:
Edgar, Swanson, Stephens seem like legit, true 145ers
Ortega, Holloway, Aldo, Conor, Tony seem like good fits for 153
Lee, Alvarez, Khabib, RDA, good fits for 161
FEATHERWEIGHT
Champion : Max Holloway
1 Brian Ortega
2 Jose Aldo
3 Frankie Edgar
4 Cub Swanson
5 Jeremy Stephens
6 Josh Emmett
7 Ricardo Lamas
8 Chan Sung Jung
9 Renato Moicano
10 Darren Elkins
LIGHTWEIGHT
Champion : Khabib Nurmagomedov
1 Conor McGregor
2 Tony Ferguson
3 Eddie Alvarez
4 Dustin Poirier
5 Edson Barboza
6 Kevin Lee
7 Justin Gaethje
8 Nate Diaz
9 Michael Chiesa
10 Al Iaquinta
WELTERWEIGHT
Champion : Tyron Woodley
1 Stephen Thompson
2 Rafael Dos Anjos
3 Colby Covington
4 Robbie Lawler
5 Demian Maia
6 Jorge Masvidal
7 Kamaru Usman
7 Darren Till
9 Neil Magny
10 Santiago Ponzinibbio
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Posted on 4/23/18 at 12:58 pm to starsandstripes
Why are the weight classes different in boxing than MMA?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 1:35 pm to Jim Rockford
As MMA has grown, it had to deal with a small number of people involved which meant few weight classes. Boxing was like this. I think boxing weight classes didn't really expand until the 1960s.
When the UFC was initially set up, there were no weight classes. As it's grown, weight classes have been added.
When the UFC was initially set up, there were no weight classes. As it's grown, weight classes have been added.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:03 pm to starsandstripes
I think at some point you dilute the meaning of being a champ if you add in too many weight classes. Seeing boxers with a hundred different belts from 10 different weight classes separated by a half pound across multiple organizations always looked dumb to me
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:08 pm to wildtigercat93
I agree - boxing has grown to have too many. I think MMA can handle it at this time as mentioned above. But I don't know if those divisions will always be like this. Historically they have been pretty full of talent. But what if they get diluted in the future - then it turns to shite.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:09 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:
Why are the weight classes different in boxing than MMA?
I mean, the sport was built on 155's beating 300 lb dudes.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 7:29 pm to Kingpenm3
I’d rather see
125
135
145
155
165
180
195
205
HW
125
135
145
155
165
180
195
205
HW
Posted on 4/23/18 at 7:31 pm to PT24-7
I also want to be match maker for 155 Division
Connor vs Khabib
Lee vs Poirier
Alvarez vs Ferguson
Connor vs Khabib
Lee vs Poirier
Alvarez vs Ferguson
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:15 pm to starsandstripes
Lower weight classes won’t get diluted unless weight cutting rules become more strict
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:27 pm to starsandstripes
I wish there were less weight classes. All the 145ers could easily fight at 155.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:59 pm to PT24-7
A year later these divisions could easily become trash. If you're adding a division you don't do it because of the current surplus if talent
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:31 pm to starsandstripes
I'm just curious, how many adult males do you know that weigh under 170lbs? I know maybe a handful and they are all under 5'6. Why are over half the belts dedicated to 5-10% of the population? The average adult male weighs like 190. There shouldn't be 9 classes under that weight and only 2 above. That makes no sense..
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:32 pm to VerlanderBEAST
I'd like to just add a 165 and move 170 to 175.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:35 pm to brmark70816
quote:
I'm just curious, how many adult males do you know that weigh under 170lbs? I know maybe a handful and they are all under 5'6. Why are over half the belts dedicated to 5-10% of the population? The average adult male weighs like 190. There shouldn't be 9 classes under that weight and only 2 above. That makes no sense..
You dont understand how mma weight works. Most of these fighters are cutting 20-30 lbs of weight to make weight the day before the fight.
Also, you are thinking of a small amount of people that you know and not taking into account that mma is a global sport and not everyone is a 220lb fatass across the globe.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 10:13 pm to diat150
quote:
You dont understand how mma weight works. Most of these fighters are cutting 20-30 lbs of weight to make weight the day before the fight. Also, you are thinking of a small amount of people that you know and not taking into account that mma is a global sport and not everyone is a 220lb fatass across the globe.
Fair enough, so it's not legal for a 5'8, 160 guy to fight a 5'10. 175 guy. But it's totally cool for a 6'2, 210 guy to fight a 6'8, 275 guy. Explain that to me please..
Posted on 4/23/18 at 10:15 pm to brmark70816
HW has a limit of 265 (or 266 for non-title fights). There is no SHw division in the UFC.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 10:19 pm to Korin
quote:
HW has a limit of 265 (or 266 for non-title fights). There is no SHw division in the UFC.
My apologies, a 6'8, 264 guy vs a 6'2, 210 guy then..
Posted on 4/23/18 at 10:19 pm to PT24-7
quote:
125
135
145
155
165
180
195
205
HW
235 would be a good one. Right between LHw and Hw.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 10:19 pm to brmark70816
quote:
My apologies, a 6'8, 264 guy vs a 6'2, 210 guy then..
That 210 guy wouldn't be fighting at Hw though.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 10:24 pm to brmark70816
quote:
Fair enough, so it's not legal for a 5'8, 160 guy to fight a 5'10. 175 guy. But it's totally cool for a 6'2, 210 guy to fight a 6'8, 275 guy. Explain that to me please..
I'm not even sure what you are asking or the point you are trying to make
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