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re: MMA - Does the amount of talent between 145-170 demand another division?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:31 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:31 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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I think jon jones walked around at 230-235ish.
This is before a few lines of coke, however.
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:33 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Imagine how good Rumble could of been had he actually been developing all those years instead of killing himself to make weight
I don't think any of those cuts affected is career trajectory.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:39 pm to Hester Carries
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Id rather guys fight at their best weight class than where a shiny belt.
I think the fighters feel opposite of that.
I believe when they fight for the belt their pay goes up considerably and when they are the belt holder it puts them in another level altogether. It's a massive change in fight pay, like life-altering change. They are foolish to ignore that. Beyond that, winning pretty much doubles their pay, so all the incentives are there to be as competitive as possible and win as much as possible.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:04 pm to starsandstripes
quote:I don't care
I think the fighters feel opposite of that.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:50 pm to starsandstripes
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I don't think any of those cuts affected is career trajectory
Huh? How could those cuts not have an enormous effect? He was cutting at least 50lbs, it's impossible to train properly cutting that much weight. You can't focus on adding new tools all your energy has to go towards losing weight.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:08 am to Hester Carries
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I don't care
Well let us know how successful you are in changing the sport. You seem like a winner. I'm sure they will bend the knee.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:28 am to VerlanderBEAST
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How could those cuts not have an enormous effect?
He was a national champion in wrestling. He's fought for the title in the UFC. He has an outstanding career record. He's highly respected. His career thus far has only been limited by Cormier who is a guaranteed HOF'er.
He's made plenty of money as well.
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He was cutting at least 50lbs, it's impossible to train properly cutting that much weight.
That's not true. It's not like he had to cut that much steadily through a fight camp. His record at welterweight was just fine. Later when he went to LHW, he wasn't cutting that much.
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You can't focus on adding new tools all your energy has to go towards losing weight.
By the time the extreme part of the weight cut begins, the training is over. You aren't adding any more tools at that time.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:43 am to starsandstripes
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He was a national champion in wrestling. He's fought for the title in the UFC. He has an outstanding career record. He's highly respected. His career thus far has only been limited by Cormier who is a guaranteed HOF'er.
He's made plenty of money as well
Ok and his submission defense, and overall grappling game has been always been trash. He was never able to improve
quote:When you're cutting that much the whole weight cut is extreme.
By the time the extreme part of the weight cut begins, the training is over. You aren't adding any more tools at that time.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 9:44 am
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:11 am to Keep Stirring
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CTE & cutting weight are two completely different things dog.
Actually they are not their dog, cutting weight most of those guys are cutting water weight which leaves them more dehydrated. The more weigh they cut the harder it is for them to get the fluids to be rehydrated before fight time. The more dehydrated leaves you more susectiple to knockout which lives a higher chance for a concussion. Thus cte can happen from bad weight cutting.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:54 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Ok and his submission defense, and overall grappling game has been always been trash. He was never able to improve
Yeah, when he went and beat Gus, and Nog, and Bader....it was because he never improved as a fighter. What a bag of shite he is.
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When you're cutting that much the whole weight cut is extreme.
How about GSP - he cut a lot of weight. Did his game evolve? What about Cormier - he's known to get pretty damn fat and cuts a lot to get to 205 but he's doing OK. Do you have any data or even just a logical argument to put forward, or are you just trolling at this point?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:09 am to starsandstripes
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How about GSP - he cut a lot of weight. Did his game evolve? What about Cormier - he's known to get pretty damn fat and cuts a lot to get to 205 but he's doing OK. Do you have any data or even just a logical argument to put forward, or are you just trolling at this point
GSP cuts a lot of weight to make 170. DC cuts a lot to make 205. Now imagine DC making freaking 170. That was Rumble. Every fighter will say how much better they can train when they move up to a more comfortable weight this is common knowledge and Rumble is literally the most extreme version of this.Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:21 am to VerlanderBEAST
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GSP cuts a lot of weight to make 170. DC cuts a lot to make 205. Now imagine DC making freaking 170. That was Rumble. Every fighter will say how much better they can train when they move up to a more comfortable weight this is common knowledge and Rumble is literally the most extreme version of this.
So you have no argument. Good talk.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:29 pm to starsandstripes
Looks like Greg Hardy will have a shot on getting a ufc contract in a few weeks. He will fight on Dana whites contender series.
I'm interested in seeing an NFL level athlete compete just to see how their insane athleticism comes into play.
The black beast already said he wants a crack at him and will make him his wife.
I'm interested in seeing an NFL level athlete compete just to see how their insane athleticism comes into play.
The black beast already said he wants a crack at him and will make him his wife.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:58 pm to diat150
quote:Spoiler Alert: Any fight that last more than 1 round probably won't go well.
I'm interested in seeing an NFL level athlete compete just to see how their insane athleticism comes into play
A NFL physique doesn't work in MMA. Even guys like Shawn Jordan Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin who have wrestling backgrounds still don't have the endurance.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:01 pm to tigermike5
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Actually they are not their dog, cutting weight most of those guys are cutting water weight which leaves them more dehydrated. The more weigh they cut the harder it is for them to get the fluids to be rehydrated before fight time. The more dehydrated leaves you more susectiple to knockout which lives a higher chance for a concussion. Thus cte can happen from bad weight cutting.
thanks for explaining how cutting weight works,
still two completely different things dog.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:05 pm to diat150
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I'm interested in seeing an NFL level athlete compete just to see how their insane athleticism comes into play.
so basically Brock Lesnar?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:11 pm to Keep Stirring
Bork is an exception.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:18 pm to diat150
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I'm interested in seeing an NFL level athlete compete just to see how their insane athleticism comes into play.
IMO, most of them would be too "big" and not have the endurance. Now if you could take a corner or small safety who is just a freak and tough, I'd like to see it. Train a younger Patrick Peterson for a few years and I think you would see the athleticism come into play... if that makes sense. Wiki says his football weight is a little over 200, so he would likely cut to 170.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:43 pm to diat150
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Looks like Greg Hardy will have a shot on getting a ufc contract in a few weeks. He will fight on Dana whites contender series.
I'm interested in seeing an NFL level athlete compete just to see how their insane athleticism comes into play.
The black beast already said he wants a crack at him and will make him his wife.
Lewis will murk him just like he did Travis Brown. Derek is not a fan of people that put their hands on women.
I saw one of Hardy's fights. He's an athlete but I don't see him going far in the UFC, or perhaps not getting to the UFC. Like Cormier said, there's levels to this.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:52 pm to starsandstripes
Eryk Anders should be Hardy's first opponent, to show him that sheer athletic ability does not cut it in the UFC.
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