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re: MJ Resume Through Age 29 vs LeBron Resume Through Age 29
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:01 pm to Walking the Earth
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:01 pm to Walking the Earth
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That tends to happen when one is "developing" in college and the other decides to jump straight into being a professional.
then anything that LBJ did while MJ couldn't hack it should be worth a frick ton of credick?
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Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:02 pm to VermilionTiger
I'm not comparing that, I'm saying that saying lebron is better than Mj for making more finals at 29 is skewed by the weak conference he has been in the last 2 years. I don't think this team wins the west this year or last year.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:04 pm to RollTide1987
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Greatness is measured in championship situations.
So according to this dumbass logic, Robert Horry is greater than MJ and Lebron right? He won 7 championships.
This post was edited on 6/15/14 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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then anything that LBJ did while MJ couldn't hack it should be worth a frick ton of credick?
If the argument is "LeBron was a better player than Jordan from age 18-24"? Sure.
As far as building some sort of candidacy of LeBron being better over an entire career? Absolutely not.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:05 pm to c on z
quote:I'm gonna go on a limb and say LeBron does not win 4 titles in the next 5years
So much for him not having a shot at chasing MJ
This post was edited on 6/15/14 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:06 pm to Walking the Earth
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As far as building some sort of candidacy of LeBron being better over an entire career? Absolutely not.
so it doesn't count for his career argument..but it counts against him...that's logical
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so it doesn't count for his career argument..but it counts against him...that's logical
I hope you don't try to so clumsily put words in other people's mouths in front of the judge.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:08 pm to Walking the Earth
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If the argument is "LeBron was a better player than Jordan from age 18-24"? Sure.
As far as building some sort of candidacy of LeBron being better over an entire career? Absolutely not.
The argument isn't that at all. Hell, if anything, the argument is that you should ignore the first couple of LeBron's seasons. He didn't do anything anyway, so its not like they inflate his stats in the OP.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:09 pm to Walking the Earth
why would those years not "build some sort of candidacy" for lebron?
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:09 pm to Volmanac
How about through their first 11 seasons, since this is Lebron's 11th?
MJ:
4 NBA titles
4 times making it to the finals
who gives a shite about when you leave the playoffs plus not easily accessible
4 time league MVP
4 time finals MVP
8 time all-NBA first team
7 time all defensive team
Lebron:
see OP
ETA didn't know someone had made that thread
MJ:
4 NBA titles
4 times making it to the finals
who gives a shite about when you leave the playoffs plus not easily accessible
4 time league MVP
4 time finals MVP
8 time all-NBA first team
7 time all defensive team
Lebron:
see OP
ETA didn't know someone had made that thread
This post was edited on 6/15/14 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:10 pm to VermilionTiger
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In the minds of idiots who need team stats to determine individual legacies
Can you name me a player who is considered the GOAT of all-time in a team sport that didn't win at least one championship during his/her career?
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:10 pm to beaver
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How about through their first 11 seasons, since this is Lebron's 11th?
it's an argument, but a much weaker comparison
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:11 pm to RollTide1987
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Can you name me a player who is considered the GOAT of all-time in a team sport that didn't win at least one championship during his/her career?
i don't care what idiots do in their spare time
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:11 pm to Walt OReilly
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What's Kobe's stat?
Can't be compared. Kobe went to a playoff team with a top 5 player on it to start his career. That kind of helps.
MJ and LeBron went to teams that were struggling and near the bottom.
Respective teams' records for 3 years before each arrived:
MJ - 0.362 (no playoffs)
LBJ - 0.309 (no playoffs)
Kobe - 0.545 (2 playoff seasons + 53 win season year before he got there).
Huge difference and the same reason you can't compare Magic, MJ, and LeBron in the same scenario.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:11 pm to boosiebadazz
I wonder how many finals appearances MJ would have had if he would have teamed up with Hakeem and Barkley in 1991 (7 years into their career)?
LBJ gets a pass for losing in 07. It was a great fear to that team to the finals. He was terrible in 11 and that should effect his legacy. He was good in the last two finals, however, he did t have the signature play in last year's series. This year he was very good statistically but never really impacted the game. Hell, he was taken out with 6:15 left tonight and never came back. It was stated earlier, the greats are judged on what they do on the biggest stages. He had not been up to the level of some others in that department.
LBJ gets a pass for losing in 07. It was a great fear to that team to the finals. He was terrible in 11 and that should effect his legacy. He was good in the last two finals, however, he did t have the signature play in last year's series. This year he was very good statistically but never really impacted the game. Hell, he was taken out with 6:15 left tonight and never came back. It was stated earlier, the greats are judged on what they do on the biggest stages. He had not been up to the level of some others in that department.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:12 pm to RollTide1987
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Can you name me a player who is considered the GOAT of all-time in a team sport that didn't win at least one championship during his/her career?
In the NFL guys like Marino and Sanders are still remembered despite not winning titles.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:14 pm to JOHNN
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So according to this dumbass logic, Robert Ory is greater than MJ and Lebron right? He won 7 championships.
No, you count, that's not right at all. No one is arguing championships are the only measure of a player. If you think that's what I'm saying then please hang yourself now so the world can be rid of your ignorance.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:14 pm to RollTide1987
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Can you name me a player who is considered the GOAT of all-time in a team sport that didn't win at least one championship during his/her career?
Id imagine that Dan Marino would be considered by alot of people to be one of the best qb's to play in the NFL.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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then anything that LBJ did while MJ couldn't hack it should be worth a frick ton of credick?
You are aware that from 1975-1995 no high school player jumped to the NBA. It isn't that Jordan couldn't do it, when Jordan was coming out of high school EVERY great player went to college first.
Going straight to the pros wasn't considered an option at that period. The best players WANTED to have a chance to win an NCAA title.
In retrospect it helped the NBA because the young players got a chance to develop their games before testing them against the NBA.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 11:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why would those years not "build some sort of candidacy" for lebron?
Well, for one thing, his career isn't over.
For another, saying that LeBron was a better pro than Jordan because Jordan wasn't a pro yet is kind of a silly (but self evident) argument which is why comparing NBA and not chronological years makes more sense.
If LeBron were to retire tomorrow, would you seriously argue his case as the GOAT simply because he entered the league at 18?
To be fair, there could be a situation where the age argument does come into play but that's more a "tiebreaker" situation and we're not anywhere close to being able to deploy that argument.
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