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re: Mike D'Antoni says season can be cherished even without a championship
Posted on 4/11/18 at 2:07 pm to sugar71
Posted on 4/11/18 at 2:07 pm to sugar71
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Chasing rings is silly if you are content were you are and ring chasing doesn't guarantee a championships or happiness( ask Durant) anyway.
Well me telling him what he's thinking, is giving him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he's so lacking of competitive spirit that he wouldn't team up with others to give himself a better shot at winning. I just think that's something these players say when they don't have the option.
No one does it by themselves, not even MJ. So for him to say he'd rather stay where he is than go elsewhere if it'd give him a better chance to win, means he's not willing to do whatever it takes to win. That's how I measure a competitor; what are you willing to do to win?
I think the Sean Connery line in the Untouchables when he asked Ness what is he prepared to do to get Capone. Does he really want it that bad or not? I don't respect the guy more if he says he'd rather stay where he is. That's letting ego get in the way.
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 2:09 pm
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 2:17 pm to sugar71
That’s always been the easiest sign of a true competitor to me too.
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/11/18 at 6:28 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Over their last 40 games, they rank 25th in pace. 19th in pace in the first half.
Keep moving those goal posts.
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But your assertion that they play at a high pace is not up for debate. It's simply false.
You yourself said they were 9th for the season that's the number in question and that is high.
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So in light of my testimony, I will accept the W.
Doesn't work that way. Your testimony is what proved you were wrong. And then tried to back it up with the subjective eyeball test. Lol
Posted on 4/11/18 at 7:32 pm to Boomshockalocka
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That’s always been the easiest sign of a true competitor to me too.
You confuse competitive spirit with pride.
There's some overlap but if you'd rather lose by yourself then win as part of a team and perhaps not get all of the accolades then that isn't being competitive, it's ego.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 7:44 pm to Goldrush25
Being a competitor is wanting to go up against the best. Compete. To try your hand against the best. Even if you may not win. That’s a competitor.
You are describing someone who isn’t a competitor. Who would rather play la tech over Alabama in football bc he will have a Better chance of winning.
A competitor at the highest level relishes in being the underdog. if he is not the underdog he will convince himself that he is. And he would never ever form a super team to win he would rather compete against the best over joining forces with them. That’s your Lillard/mamba/Jordan mentality.
You are describing someone who isn’t a competitor. Who would rather play la tech over Alabama in football bc he will have a Better chance of winning.
A competitor at the highest level relishes in being the underdog. if he is not the underdog he will convince himself that he is. And he would never ever form a super team to win he would rather compete against the best over joining forces with them. That’s your Lillard/mamba/Jordan mentality.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 7:47 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Lillard/mamba/Jordan mentality.
one of these is not like the othersPosted on 4/11/18 at 7:54 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Being a competitor is wanting to go up against the best. Compete. To try your hand against the best. Even if you may not win. That’s a competitor.
How does that refute anything I've said?
I would argue if you can't ever win, it's not really competing.
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A competitor at the highest level relishes in being the underdog. if he is not the underdog he will convince himself that he is. And he would never ever form a super team to win he would rather compete against the best over joining forces with them. That’s your Lillard/mamba/Jordan mentality.
But the reality is everyone can't be the dondada. By definition there's only a few of them. So the people you're describe like Dame, because they can't be the best on a top team, would rather lose on a lower level team because they're the best on that team. You call that being competitive.
That's actually really weak, like I said, just all about ego. Dame will never win a championship as the best player of his team. The smart players figure that out eventually. The guys with ego just collect their checks and tell themselves lies about their greatness.
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 4/11/18 at 7:59 pm to Goldrush25
I can see Damian beating every team this year but CC And GSW. TWO All time great kinda teams. He won’t get it done this year, but He’s gonna stick with it and if he has his time he will have his time. if he doesn’t win a title he can hold his head high. He’s not gonna bail on his city, teammates, and organization and make a super team just bc there are better teams out there for a couple seasons. Like you know who.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:00 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Not really.
Being a competitor is wanting to go up against the best. Compete. To try your hand against the best. Even if you may not win. That’s a competitor.
It's different for everyone.
Many just want to be the best they can be and help their team be the best they can be while enjoying themselves and defeating whatever the other team throws at them.
It wasn't Cleveland's fault that GS's best player has the ankles of a bitch. It wasn't Cleveland's fault that Draymond crosses the line(which is also what gives him his edge).
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:03 pm to Boomshockalocka
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He’s not gonna bail on his city, teammates, and organization and make a super team just bc there are better teams out there for a couple seasons. Like you know who
i know right. Lillard is following in westbrooks steps and not bailing on his city like punk kd
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:04 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Because he has no chance of going down as one of the GOATs.
I can see Damian beating every team this year but CC And GSW. TWO All time great kinda teams. He won’t get it done this year, but He’s gonna stick with it and if he has his time he will have his time. if he doesn’t win a title he can hold his head high. He’s not gonna bail on his city, teammates, and organization and make a super team just bc there are better teams out there for a couple seasons. Like you know who.
He could win 0 championships. Or 4.
He'll never be one of the GOATs. So he doesn't need to do whatever it takes to get the rings to appease all the idiots who use them to determine who is GOAT or not.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:05 pm to oleyeller
No one is lauding KD as a great competitor.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:07 pm to whatiknowsofar
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With all the injuries and all the teams tanking thus boosting Rox to 1
I'm confused. Teams only tank when they play the Rockets?
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:10 pm to Boomshockalocka
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He won’t get it done this year, but He’s gonna stick with it and if he has his time he will have his time.
I don't see it.
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if he doesn’t win a title he can hold his head high. He’s not gonna bail on his city, teammates, and organization and make a super team just bc there are better teams out there for a couple seasons
He absolutely can hold his head high. He's at the top of his profession.
But don't tell me he wants to win at all costs. He wants to win if it's convenient for him. I don't see how you classify that as being an all-time type of competitor.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:13 pm to ReauxlTide222
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He'll never be one of the GOATs. So he doesn't need to do whatever it takes to get the rings to appease all the idiots who use them to determine who is GOAT or not.
That's an excellent point.
Lillard came out of nowhere. He had no expectation to live up to. So maybe that's why he has no immediate desire to put a ring into the collection, certainly not to the level of a Lebron or KD. Lillard is just happy to be there.
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:17 pm to Goldrush25
“Win at all costs” is the guy who would rather play la tech than Bama. Whatever it takes to get his win he will take it. That’s not a competitor. That’s more of your Lebron types.
Win at all cost guy is the one who is playing three in three with two of his best friends and they can’t beat the 3 guys down the street. But they are getting close. Win at all costs guy would rather go recruit a couple d1 players from his local college to get the win and boot his boys off his squad. Competitor will say no I’m gonna keep playing you with my boys and if we don’t beat you we don’t beat you. But I’m not gonna take the easy route.
Win at all cost guy is the one who is playing three in three with two of his best friends and they can’t beat the 3 guys down the street. But they are getting close. Win at all costs guy would rather go recruit a couple d1 players from his local college to get the win and boot his boys off his squad. Competitor will say no I’m gonna keep playing you with my boys and if we don’t beat you we don’t beat you. But I’m not gonna take the easy route.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:20 pm to Goldrush25
Lebron and KD legitimately had to win rings for people to even consider them worthy of how good they actually are.
If how good they actually are at basketball is right here -----
This is where people would have their skills or value ranked with no rings -------
Dame is awesome. But that's all he'll ever be. He's a really good PG. He'll be a guy we talk about to our grandchildren like, "Oh yeah! And Dame! Son this guy was feisty as hell and could fill it up. He's another one I forgot about."
If how good they actually are at basketball is right here -----
This is where people would have their skills or value ranked with no rings -------
Dame is awesome. But that's all he'll ever be. He's a really good PG. He'll be a guy we talk about to our grandchildren like, "Oh yeah! And Dame! Son this guy was feisty as hell and could fill it up. He's another one I forgot about."
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:23 pm to Boomshockalocka
I don't know what's virtuous about competing, not winning, not trying to improve your chances of winning, and being ok with that. That sounds like someone that's just doing it for fun.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:24 pm to Goldrush25
You saying improvement can’t come organically?
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:32 pm to Boomshockalocka
He clearly didn't say that 
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