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re: Micah Parsons relationship w/ Dallas has deteriorated UPDATE: Official trade request!
Posted on 8/1/25 at 11:26 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 8/1/25 at 11:26 am to Fun Bunch
In defense of Jerry, all the local DFW radio people believe Parsons was not going to sign anything until the Watt deal was done so he could get a higher AAV deal.
That said, Jerruh threw multiple players under the bus this training camp, not just Parsons. It is a shite show as usual.
That said, Jerruh threw multiple players under the bus this training camp, not just Parsons. It is a shite show as usual.
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Posted on 8/1/25 at 11:41 am to CunningLinguist
Never understood why the owners cave in when it comes to “next man up get the biggest contract”. They obviously collude when it comes to fully guaranteed contracts, why don’t they just pay the best player the most money. MP is a top 5 talent, but he’s not the best.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 11:42 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Not if you want an impact defender on your roster past this season
They will certainly franchise him next season.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 11:44 am to CunningLinguist
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That said, Jerruh threw multiple players under the bus this training camp, not just Parsons. It is a shite show as usual.
I hate the cowboys and can’t stand how focused ESPN is on the Cowboys. But every example I’ve seen was waaaaay overblown.
Can you provide an example?
Posted on 8/1/25 at 11:45 am to moneyg
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The problem is that he doesn't have the leverage right now. So, he may have to give the Cowboys a little bit of a discount to get them to move.
This his first contract (sans rookie deal)… you can’t give a discount on the first contract…
Posted on 8/1/25 at 11:46 am to moneyg
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But, again, until both sides are on the same page, there's very little reason to negotiate.
I’m not sure how you would get on the same page without negotiating
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The Cowboys have him locked in for the next 2 seasons well below what he's asking for.
Sure, but as we’ve seen time and time again, that costs more in the long run than paying them sooner. The closer he gets to FA, the more the cap goes up, the more other players get paid and reset the market, and the more leverage he gains (assuming performance is there)
A pricey deal today is a bargain 2 years from now. Both sides have incentives to get the deal done sooner and downsides to letting it play out.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 11:51 am to bbap
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I DECLARE SEPARATION!
Posted on 8/1/25 at 11:55 am to lepdagod
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This his first contract (sans rookie deal)… you can’t give a discount on the first contract…
Of course you can. If he wants to get his absolute top dollar, he has to wait 2 seasons (minimum) and take on all the risks that go along with that.
If he wants a deal now, he's obviously going to have to take less than he would get if he were a free agent right now.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 11:56 am to wildtigercat93
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A pricey deal today is a bargain 2 years from now. Both sides have incentives to get the deal done sooner and downsides to letting it play out.
The idiots on this board are incapable of understanding this extremely simple concept
Posted on 8/1/25 at 11:58 am to moneyg
[quote]Of course you can. If he wants to get his absolute top dollar, he has to wait 2 seasons (minimum) and take on all the risks that go along with that.
If he wants a deal now, he's obviously going to have to take less than he would get if he were a free agent right now.[/quote/]
Name the others besides Mahomes who this line of thinking you can apply it to
If he wants a deal now, he's obviously going to have to take less than he would get if he were a free agent right now.[/quote/]
Name the others besides Mahomes who this line of thinking you can apply it to
This post was edited on 8/1/25 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:00 pm to wildtigercat93
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Sure, but as we’ve seen time and time again, that costs more in the long run than paying them sooner. The closer he gets to FA, the more the cap goes up, the more other players get paid and reset the market, and the more leverage he gains (assuming performance is there)
...and the more the salary cap goes up (typically) and the more you get to see if anything happens that would change your mind (injury, etc.)..and the longer you have to make other moves that could make room for Parsons.
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A pricey deal today is a bargain 2 years from now. Both sides have incentives to get the deal done sooner and downsides to letting it play out.
No offense, but that is extremely simplistic thinking. Obviously, it's not the right decision to just give players new contracts early because that way you don't have to pay them at the end of their contract.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:02 pm to lepdagod
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Name the others besides Mahomes who this line of thinking you can apply it to
huh?
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:02 pm to moneyg
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No offense, but that is extremely simplistic thinking
No it’s not
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:08 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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No it’s not
Of course it is.
There are certainly factors that make waiting to give a player a new deal more favorable to the team.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:09 pm to moneyg
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huh?
What other player from recent memory has given a team a discount on their first contract???
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:14 pm to Fun Bunch
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Yeah what does that even mean? He can't
I’m sure he can. Not without consequences.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:19 pm to lepdagod
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What other player from recent memory has given a team a discount on their first contract???
Let's be clear...
It's a relative discount. It's a discount over what he'd get if the Cowboys weren't holding the cards they are holding.
Parsons is staring at having to play out this year and then play another year under the franchise tag.
That's a lot of money to have to make up in his next contract two years from now. And, if he were to have a serious injury, he may never make that money up.
If Parsons were to wait those two years, he will be holding all of the cards and he will get a HUGE contract from whomever signs him.
But, as it stands, if he wants the Cowboys to do it now, he's at the mercy (to a degree) to what the Cowboys want. And, I'm fairly certain that he 24M he's making this year and the (estimated 30M) next year are at a pretty significant discount to what he will get on his next contract.
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The highest-paid defensive players in the NFL, as of July 2025, include T.J. Watt, Myles Garrett, Danielle Hunter, Maxx Crosby, Nick Bosa, and Chris Jones. T.J. Watt leads with an average annual salary of $41 million.
He's got to be willing to make this make sense for the Cowboys.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:28 pm to moneyg
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It's a relative discount.
Still a discount
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If Parsons were to wait those two years, he will be holding all of the cards and he will get a HUGE contract from whomever signs him.
Ok but…
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if he were to have a serious injury, he may never make that money up.
Exactly
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He's got to be willing to make this make sense for the Cowboys.
2x 1st All Pro
1x 2nd All Pro
Defensive Rookie of the Year
4x Pro Bowl
52.5 sacks
What part doesn’t make sense for the Cowboys???
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:31 pm to Fun Bunch
Jerra 9 D Chess champ.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:34 pm to moneyg
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and the more the salary cap goes up (typically) and the more you get to see if anything happens that would change your mind (injury, etc.)..and the longer you have to make other moves that could make room for Parsons.
But again the price goes up. If you don’t want to pay him 35 mil/year now, are you gonna want to pay him 50 mil / year in a couple years? Is there less risk in 2 seasons of him potentially getting hurt? Is he even going to want to sign a deal with you after you refused to make a deal and franchised him in the last couple seasons in that scenario?
And having a player on the franchise tag is an anchor to your cap flexibility, especially if you go past the first franchise tag. You can do all kind of backloading, fake years etc to make the cap work with a real contract, while the franchise tag is a complete hold of that GTD amount on that salary cap.
Also you could have 2 players that are worthy of that franchise tag, so you gotta pick 1 and the others get to hit FA
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No offense, but that is extremely simplistic thinking. Obviously, it's not the right decision to just give players new contracts early because that way you don't have to pay them at the end of their contract.
No offense but that’s not what I was saying at all. My point is simply that the price goes up as time goes on. The better deal is had early. Certainly there is risk for the team that a player gets hurt in that case, but the same risk is weighed on the players end on getting hurt by not taking the deal earlier.
With elite positions, if you got a hit in the draft, the sooner you ink that deal the more team friendly it is and the more injury protection you have leverage to put in. Theres a reason why the tag is pretty rare these days outside of giving the team more time to work out long term deals. Teams have plenty of cap and cash to spread to their best players, and that money is not typically better spent elsewhere with how shallow the FA classes are each year because everyone resigns their best players, broadly speaking
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