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re: McMurphy accusing Urban Meyer of being aware of domestic abuse allegations in 2015
Posted on 8/1/18 at 10:40 pm to slackster
Posted on 8/1/18 at 10:40 pm to slackster
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I believe you can treat men and women equally and also believe a man would wipe the floor with a woman in a fight
Agreed. Everyone should be treated equally. I think we Have similar beliefs. My argument is meant for snowflakes that think gender is a social construct
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Posted on 8/1/18 at 10:42 pm to wm72
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if a male professor was beating another male professor
So you have to report if you hear about a male professor who likes to bully and beat up another guy after they play basketball at the local gym every Tuesday?
Or does this only apply to spouse on spouse abuse? If so, why stop there? Why wouldn’t we want to report ALL abuse? Hell why not all crimes? Don’t you want to prevent crime?
Posted on 8/1/18 at 10:51 pm to lsupride87
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I would say the women talking about urban hearing the news is solid evidence here
You really are a stupid man.
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IMHO, you were making it sound like there was nothing in the texts speaking about Urban, which would be nothing but us assuming his wife told him
There are actual texts though speaking about Urban knowing
There are actual documents saying Trump colluded with the russians.
Are there any texts from Urban saying he knows?
If not, why should we believe these women over him?
This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 8/1/18 at 10:53 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Or does this only apply to spouse on spouse abuse? If so, why stop there? Why wouldn’t we want to report ALL abuse? Hell why not all crimes? Don’t you want to prevent crime?
You obviously have no desire to understand the topic at hand. That, or you're incapable of understanding it.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 10:54 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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So you have to report if you hear about a male professor who likes to bully and beat up another guy after they play basketball at the local gym every Tuesday?
Sounds like a real psycho that certainly doesn't need to be a university professor. I'd probably want to report that to not have it come out I had an inkling to what a freak he was before he shot 20 student.
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Or does this only apply to spouse on spouse abuse? If so, why stop there? Why wouldn’t we want to report ALL abuse?
You are required to report all abuse. Again, this is NOT gender specific.
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Hell why not all crimes?
I don't recall but it was likely in my contract that I should report any knowledge of another professor engaging in criminal activity.
This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:01 pm to slackster
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You obviously have no desire to understand the topic at hand. That, or you're incapable of understanding it.
Sure I do. You obviously haven’t thought through all the ridiculous scenarios the law you are supporting could produce.
Here’s a scenario... a huge Michigan fan who also happens to be friends with the assistant coaches wife goes to Urban Meyer and states that he knows for a fact that the assistant coach beats his wife. Should Urban take the word of the Michigan fan and call the police on his assistant coach?
The law you are supporting the requires HERESAY to be reported opens the door for all kinds of weird scenarios.
Hell maybe I should send Saban a letter saying that I know for a fact his recruiting coordinator plows little kids. If he doesn’t call the cops should he be fired?
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:04 pm to wm72
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I don't recall but it was likely in my contract that I should report any knowledge of another professor engaging in criminal activity.
Doubt it but I can’t believe you would be ok with that. Talk about a police state. Let me guess, you probably also think our prison system is out of control and that all drugs should be decriminalized.... oh the irony
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:05 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Here’s a scenario... a huge Michigan fan who also happens to be friends with the assistant coaches wife goes to Urban Meyer and states that he knows for a fact that the assistant coach beats his wife. Should Urban take the word of the Michigan fan and call the police on his assistant coach?
Why in this case would Urban Meyer not simply report to the proper chain of the command that he was told this and also explain-- like you say -- that it was from a "huge Michigan fan" and seems extremely suspicious?
Problem solved.
It's not as hard as you're trying to make it.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:10 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Doubt it but I can’t believe you would be ok with that. Talk about a police state
I could also choose not to report it but not melt like your metaphorical snowflake if I were to lose my job for not honoring the contract I had signed while following my own conscience.
I would be free to go work somewhere else.
This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:11 pm to wm72
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Problem solved. It's not as hard as you're trying to make it
No. Problem not solved. No one should be required to report rumors to anyone. Maybe I don’t want to spread rumors about my coworkers who I happen to like. Reputations aren’t easily repaired. I’m surprised this hasn’t gone to the Supreme Court and been ruled unconstitutional.
The government requiring you to report rumors is bordering on Stalinesque policies. Am I taking crazy pills or are all of you ok with having your civil liberties trampled?
And I say all of this while acknowledging that Urban should have told someone. But SHOULD HAVE and being required to are two different things.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:13 pm to wm72
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I could also choose not to report it but not melt like a snowflake if I were to lose my job for not honoring the contract I had signed.
No doubt. He violated the contract. He should be fired.
Y’all really can’t grasp the fact that I’m not arguing that point. I’m saying there is no reason for that to be required to be in his contract to receive public funding.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:15 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Doubt it but I can’t believe you would be ok with that. Talk about a police state. Let me guess, you probably also think our prison system is out of control and that all drugs should be decriminalized.... oh the irony
As a conservative myself, it drives me nuts to see so many of you try to turn this into a political ordeal today. This isn't some despicable regret rape ruining a guy's life at who gives a shite liberal college, this is a head coach with a horrible track record on discipline who failed to report a serial woman beater.
This is such a stupid hill to di on for some of you and for Urban.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:16 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Let me guess, you probably also think our prison system is out of control and that all drugs should be decriminalized....
Yes and yes.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:18 pm to slackster
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this is a head coach with a horrible track record on discipline who failed to report a serial woman beater.
Why are you incapable of seeing past this one case and realizing how terrible of a precedent this law sets?
You still haven’t answered my question. Why should anyone be REQUIRED by the government to report rumors?
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:19 pm to wildtigercat93
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Yes and yes
But you also believe the government should require people to report rumors to the authorities?
What happened to live and let live brother?
You can smoke your crack but I can’t ignore a rumor I heard? What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to perform to justify that to yourself?
This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:26 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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No one should be required to report rumors to anyone. Maybe I don’t want to spread rumors about my coworkers who I happen to like.
First, no big group of people at any university, corporation etc is perfect and I personally have no desire to be a part anything larger than a few people.
However, the idea is that you have someone who will handle these "rumors" with expertise and discretion and it's not that you're "just spreading them around."
You are usually nipping them in the bud if they are untrue.
While there's a lot about the university I worked for many years that I did not like, I never had the feeling that the people I would have to report something as sensitive as this -- where either someone is wrongly accused or someone is a real victim -- would not be handled as thoughtfully as possible.
While thankfully nothing like this ever came up, I can say that a fairly common problem is female student/male professor where female student thinks wrongly or rightly that a certain line has been crossed.
Better to let the professional who's job it is to deal with just deal with it. Anyone who doesn't understand that or agree with it should perhaps just find another job.
This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:29 pm to wm72
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I don't recall but it was likely in my contract that I should report any knowledge of another professor engaging in criminal activity
If this is actually in your contract and you are ok with that then you may be the biggest pussy on the face of this earth. Some people just need big brother to watch over them I guess, makes you feel warm and cozy at night
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:32 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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If this is actually in your contract and you are ok with that then you may be the biggest pussy on the face of this earth. Some people just need big brother to watch over them I guess, makes you feel warm and cozy at night
If they did illegal drugs, I'd certainly risk not reporting them. Prisons are so overcrowded.
This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:33 pm to wm72
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Better to let the professional who's job it is to deal with just deal with it. Anyone who doesn't understand that or agree with it should perhaps just find another job.
You keep confusing scenarios. Something that takes place on campus or in the work environment is a different situation entirely.
A RUMOR about someone’s personal life at home should have nothing to do with the work environment. You could always reserve the right to fire that person for any reason unrelated to work. But to be require someone to report on something that has nothing to do with work is asinine.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:35 pm to wm72
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Of they did illegal drugs, I'd risk not reporting them. Prisons are so overcrowded.
If you had to guess, your contract says RUMORS of what crimes need to be reported to your superior or the authorities?
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