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re: May be a stupid question, but how are old pitching stats so incredible?
Posted on 2/28/23 at 5:57 pm to Ghost of Colby
Posted on 2/28/23 at 5:57 pm to Ghost of Colby
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crotch sweat,
From the makers of Booty Sweat?
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:00 pm to putt23
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Same thing with NBA players now. These dudes can't play a full game or season, and no one is beating on them like in the 80s/90s. I wish Lebron could play against the 90s Pistons.
Yep, today’s players wouldn’t make a 1/4 of the season…
Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:13 pm to DemonKA3268
Back then the regular season meant more too. Bigger divisions, no wild cards, no league championships even for a long time. Winning your league was extra important.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:25 pm to Tiger1242
What's lost is that people like Cy Young, Walter Johnson, Bob Gibson, and even Denny Mclain were freaks of nature and so many pitchers wrecked their arms and never amounted to anything. From Cy Young to Steve Carlton to Nolan Ryan you had pitchers like them who beat the odds.
If you study baseball history for every Walter Johnson there are 25 Mark Fidrych's who wrecked their arm and never amounted to much.
If you study baseball history for every Walter Johnson there are 25 Mark Fidrych's who wrecked their arm and never amounted to much.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:53 pm to Tiger1242
Pitching to contact, they weren’t trying to strikeout batters like todays pitchers. In addition home runs were less prevalent. Therefore the pitchers didn’t put 100% into every pitch. Less torque on the arm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:58 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
That’s an interesting thought. We assume there aren’t pitchers that could do similar things today but that’s not necessarily true. Hell you see it in the college playoffs when kids throw 250+ pitches in three days and seem to pick up steam as they go.
A lot of the barriers that we set are based on what “normal” arms can handle.
A lot of the barriers that we set are based on what “normal” arms can handle.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:04 pm to Tiger1242
Wasn’t there something about pitching from the windup instead of the stretch all the time that benefited their arms too?
Posted on 2/28/23 at 8:14 pm to LSUBoo
Incredible stats but pretty sure the pitchers mound was 55 1/2 ft from home plate back then. I know they changed it soon after to 60ft 6in and batting average league wide jumped like 40pts.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 8:31 pm to nicholastiger
Gibson '68 is insane. It would be still be top 3 all time even if you included the dead ball era. No one approaches him in the modern era
Posted on 2/28/23 at 8:32 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Then there were the Dizzy Deans, Smokey Joe Woods', and Frank Tananas who had to become junk ballers or change position after they hurt their arms.
Lesser mortals fell by the wayside while the exceptions put up legendary numbers.
Lesser mortals fell by the wayside while the exceptions put up legendary numbers.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 8:41 pm to Tiger1242
quote:In the books I've read they just threw through the pain. Many if them couldn't move their arms until loosened and it caused them a great deal of pain, daily.
Cool stats, so how were they able to throw so much more than guys today?
Satchel has WAY more innings than recorded officially
Also, there is a bit of selection here. You only hear of the ones who could do it, not the thousands who destroyed their arms after a couple of years.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 8:44 pm to Jake88
When Barnstorming, Satch would only pitch 2-3 innings per game.
Then again, they often played two games a day.
Then again, they often played two games a day.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 8:49 pm to LSUBoo
quote:The book "Fifty-Nine in '84: Old Hoss Radbourn, Barehanded Baseball, and the Greatest Season a Pitcher Ever Had" was about this. He couldn't move his arm on off days.
Old Hoss Radbourn's 1884 stat line is my favorite
Posted on 2/28/23 at 8:59 pm to BenDover
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Incredible stats but pretty sure the pitchers mound was 55 1/2 ft from home plate back then. I know they changed it soon after to 60ft 6in and batting average league wide jumped like 40pts.
Also 1884 was the first year they allowed overhand pitches. Before that was more like current fast-pitch softball, which is much much easier on the joints.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 9:02 pm to Jake88
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Also, there is a bit of selection here. You only hear of the ones who could do it, not the thousands who destroyed their arms after a couple of years.
Yea, I think through all the reasoning and discussing. This is the real truth, we know about the incredible guys because they were, well, incredible. Probably tons of average dudes who ruined their arms for life doing this for a few years and getting hurt
Posted on 2/28/23 at 9:35 pm to Tiger1242
They pitched daily instead of these retarded managers yanking a hot pitcher after 100 pitches.
I remember maddux going 9 innings all the time. Same with Randy Johnson.
I remember maddux going 9 innings all the time. Same with Randy Johnson.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 9:36 pm to LSUBoo
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Old Hoss Radbourn's 1884 stat line is my favorite. 60-12, 75 games, 73 starts, 73 complete games, 2 finished, 1 SV, 678.2 IP, 1.38 ERA, .922 WHIP.
Glad he found time to get a save
Posted on 2/28/23 at 9:39 pm to Dire Wolf
I wonder how much shite he gave his teammate when he couldn’t finish the game and the guy with 73 complete games had to come in and close it out for him?
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:45 pm to putt23
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I wish Lebron could play against the 90s Pistons.
Or the mid/late-1980s Celtics or Lakers.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:53 am to Rhino5
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They pitched daily instead of these retarded managers yanking a hot pitcher after 100 pitches.
This here is the closest reason for an answer to your question.
Back then, the players barely got paid, so nobody worried about their overall health and longevity.
But now? Well, you will protect a multi-million dollar investment.
And that's what these pitcher's arms are. So you won't ever see them allowed to perform such feats stated in the OP.
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