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re: Matt Stafford Agrees to 5 year contract with Lions
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:04 am to shel311
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:04 am to shel311
quote:you're getting caught up in the highest paid BS? It's 92 mil guaranteed over 5 years. It's not a bad deal at all.
I'd never make a QB I felt no confidence in leading my team to a title the highest paid QB in the league.
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:07 am to gatorhata9
32 starting QBs, so 16 is average. Anyone who is not an auto top 10 and is in their prime is by default average.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:07 am to shel311
quote:NFL season starts in two weeks...
Gotcha. I'd make him an offer, it would be lower, he would decline it. Then I'd work to trade him.
quote:I do.
My thing is, he doesn't have to be as good or nearly as good as Rodgers...who is? But he has to be a guy that on the right day and with the right luck you feel can outplay Rodgers. I don't have that confidence in Stafford, not at all.
quote:Well I don't think it's a very smart strategy.
Yes. I feel like sticking with him with this deal actually makes it harder to compete going forward, and again, I don't have any confidence that he can lead my team to a title, so I don't want 5 more of what I'd consider wasted years.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:08 am to shel311
quote:
Gotcha. I'd make him an offer, it would be lower, he would decline it. Then I'd work to trade him.
Yeah, good luck getting any quality free agents to ever sign with you if you'll jack around a top 10 QB. You don't think free agents notice things like that?
quote:
I'd trade him whenever the team feels he could fetch max value, whatever that may be.
What is max value? The best offer you can get? So if 5 teams give crappy offers just go with the least crappy offer? You wouldn't have a job for very long.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:09 am to castorinho
quote:I'd never pay a QB I felt no confidence in leading my team to a title $92mil guaranteed.
you're getting caught up in the highest paid BS? It's 92 mil guaranteed over 5 years. It's not a bad deal at all.
And it does matter, the amount he makes goes against the cap and restricts what they can do at other positions, thus making it harder to compete than it has been in the past 8 years where they haven't won a playoff game.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:11 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Isn't he under contract for 2 more seasons, so there's always next offseason, no? If not, then it should have been done last season. You're focusing on today, i'm saying it's something they should have already planned for.
NFL season starts in two weeks...
quote:Well, therein lies the difference.
I do.
quote:I also don't think giving a guy who hasn't won a playoff game in 8 years at QB that much money would be a very smart strategy either.
Well I don't think it's a very smart strategy.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:12 am to shel311
My goodness, Stafford got one of the best rookie guaranteed money deals and now he's cashing in again.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:12 am to shel311
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I'd never pay a QB I felt no confidence in leading my team to a title $92mil guaranteed.
Whether or not you have confidence in him is of secondary importance. He's productive.
The question is, do you have access to a QB you do have confidence in, and is he productive?
Sounds like you're willing to dump a productive QB that you "have no confidence in" for an unknown QB that in all likelihood will not be as productive as Stafford. I'm failing to see the upside here.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 11:15 am
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:13 am to shel311
quote:I think 2017 was his last season under contract.
Isn't he under contract for 2 more seasons, so there's always next offseason, no?
quote:The alternative is much worse. You know how rare an elite QB is. You would let him walk with the hope of locking one of those down in the near future.
I also don't think giving a guy who hasn't won a playoff game in 8 years at QB that much money would be a very smart strategy either.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 11:16 am
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:14 am to Goldrush25
quote:There's no basis for this to be so.
Yeah, good luck getting any quality free agents to ever sign with you if you'll jack around a top 10 QB
quote:Good players are let go in free agency all the time, many top 10 at their position, not sure what you're talking about? Are you insinuating a cornerback would shun Detroit if they're giving him the best offer because of that one time a few years ago when they didn't want to pay Matt Stafford? I have no clue what the basis is for that.
You don't think free agents notice things like that?
quote:You're really just saying mindless shite at this point. Here's my retort to that and the problem is, it's every bit as relevant and meaningful as what you said...What if 5 teams gave awesome offers and I took the most awesome offer and got a great haul...I'd have a job for a very long time if I did that.
What is max value? The best offer you can get? So if 5 teams give crappy offers just go with the least crappy offer? You wouldn't have a job for very long.
We need more facts and reasoning here, what you said wasn't very meaningful, to be honest.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:16 am to shel311
quote:This is the final year of his contract. The team would be trading for Stafford two weeks before the start of the season, for a one year rental. Your offers are going to be shite.
What if 5 teams gave awesome offers
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 11:17 am
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:17 am to Goldrush25
quote:No, that's not the question, and here's proof.
Whether or not you have confidence in him is of secondary importance. He's productive.
The question is, do you have access to a QB you do have confidence in, and is he productive?
You would draw the line somewhere on how much you'd pay Stafford, right? Welp, there ya go.
I could use your logic in saying he's productive and you have no access to a QB you have confidence in, so if he wanted $175mil guaranteed, you gotta give it to him, when that's clearly not the case. THere's a point where those 2 points you made do not matter and you would not pay him. I say the number he's at now is past that point.
quote:I'm also failing to see the upside in $92mil to a QB who isn't worth $92mil.
Sounds like you're willing to dump a productive QB that you "have no confidence in" for an unknown QB that in all likelihood will not be as productive as Stafford. I'm failing to see the upside here.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:18 am to shel311
quote:The upside of overpaying Stafford is avoiding the alternative... starting the 2018 season at ground zero.
I'm also failing to see the upside in $92mil to a QB who isn't worth $92mil.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 11:19 am
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:19 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:So again, when I say trade him, you can't really say "it's 2 weeks before the season" when I'd obviously mean this is something you should have planned for.
I think 2017 was his last season under contract.
quote:I don't think it is. I think the alternative is messing around in mediocrity for 5 more years, probably not winning a playoff game, maybe 1...then you let him walk. I think that is much worse.
The alternative is much worse
quote:We're talking about Stafford, not an elite QB though.
You know how rare an elite QB is. You would let him walk with the hope of locking one of those down in the near future.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:19 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:You're fixed on that when i've explained it before, fwiw.
This is the final year of his contract.
quote:STOP!!!
The team would be trading for Stafford two weeks before the start of the season, for a one year rental. Your offers are going to be shite.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:20 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:The downside is prolonging the alternative for a few more mediocre years.
The upside of overpaying Stafford is avoiding the alternative
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:21 am to shel311
quote:Why not? Maybe they tried working on it last season and couldn't get it done. You would have traded him then because you couldn't get a contract done before the start of last season.
So again, when I say trade him, you can't really say "it's 2 weeks before the season" when I'd obviously mean this is something you should have planned for.
This is reality. You have to deal with reality. You can't change the facts because you don't like them.
quote:You mentioned a QB that you have confidence in winning a title. That's what you want. You know how rare those guys are. You could be searching for 20 years before you find that guy.
We're talking about Stafford, not an elite QB though.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 11:24 am
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:22 am to shel311
quote:Yeah, you've explained that you don't want to deal with the facts.
You're fixed on that when i've explained it before, fwiw.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:24 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Maybe they didn't, so I don't think throwing that out there makes it a good point. If you know they tried and couldn't get value, then you'd be right.
Why not? Maybe they tried working on it last season and couldn't get it done.
quote:Says the guy literally saying, "Maybe they tried"
This is reality. You can to deal with reality. You can't change the facts because you don't like them.
quote:You're absolutely correct, so I'd prefer to start my search now instead of 5 years and thus possibly making it 25 years.
You could be searching for 20 years before you find that guy.
Also, that you think Stafford is elite is eye opening.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:24 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:WTF are you talking about.
Yeah, you've explained that you don't want to deal with the facts.
What FACT is there that they tried to trade him? You saying, "Maybe they did"
Is this real life?
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