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re: Matt Stafford Agrees to 5 year contract with Lions
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:25 am to shel311
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:25 am to shel311
quote:I meant, maybe they tried negotiating the contract last year and couldn't get it done. You trade him then?
Maybe they didn't, so I don't think throwing that out there makes it a good point. If you know they tried and couldn't get value, then you'd be right.
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:26 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Yes, because the alternative at that point is a much lower value this past offseason or he walks for nothing.
I meant, maybe they tried negotiating the contract last year and couldn't get it done. You trade him then?
I still don't get what facts I changed? I didn't change anything. I told you what I would have done.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:26 am to shel311
Miscommunication. I was talking about working on a contract extensions.
quote:Apparently not, because you're willing to let a 29yo top 10ish QB walk and start a rebuild.
Is this real life?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:28 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:8 years, no playoff wins.
Apparently not, because you're willing to let a 29yo top 10ish QB walk and start a rebuild.
The horror of not wanting to continue that "successful" run!!
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 11:29 am
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:29 am to shel311
quote:You're saying you would have done it differently. You would have tried to trade him last season. That's all hypothetical "what I would have done" BS.
I still don't get what facts I changed?
The facts are, they just finished negotiations yesterday so we are dealing with present trade value.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:30 am to shel311
quote:Stuck in a division with Aaron Rodgers. But hey,
8 years, no playoff wins.
doesn't have a playoff win by age 29. Time to let him go!
quote:You want to let him go and find an elite QB in free agency or the draft.
The horror of not wanting to continue that "successful" run!!
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 11:31 am
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:32 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:You, or maybe another poster, literally asked what I would have done. I have no clue what you're talking about right now.
You're saying you would have done it differently. You would have tried to trade him last season. That's all hypothetical "what I would have done" BS.
The facts are, they just finished negotiations yesterday so we are dealing with present trade value.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:32 am to shel311
quote:
I could use your logic in saying he's productive and you have no access to a QB you have confidence in, so if he wanted $175mil guaranteed, you gotta give it to him, when that's clearly not the case. THere's a point where those 2 points you made do not matter and you would not pay him. I say the number he's at now is past that point.
He didn't ask for that though. He agreed to a number that's right in line with the franchise tag figure on a per year/guarantee basis.
quote:
I'm also failing to see the upside in $92mil to a QB who isn't worth $92mil.
The upside is keeping your job as opposed to getting fired for letting go of a productive QB in favor of another that in all likelihood won't be as productive.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:32 am to shel311
quote:
We're talking about Stafford, not an elite QB though.
He was having the best season of his career and was a MVP candidate until he got injured. That isn't debatable.
People harping on the "last eight years" really need to focus on what he has done under JBC... because, you know, that's the current situation he is in.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:33 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Does signing this huge deal get Rodgers out of the division all of a sudden?
Stuck in a division with Aaron Rodgers.
quote:Can we stick to facts, by your request?
You want to let him go and find an elite QB in free agency or the draft.
You've now twice gone off the deep end saying weird shite while telling me to stick to facts. Yikes.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:34 am to shel311
quote:Nope.
Does signing this huge deal get Rodgers out of the division all of a sudden?
quote:Sure.
Can we stick to facts, by your request?
Who are the QBs you have confidence in to win a title?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:35 am to Goldrush25
quote:Irrelevant, my point is the amount does matter. You gave reasons to insinuate why you had to pay him. I am telling you no, the number does matter.
He didn't ask for that though
quote:Coaches, executives, folks everywhere in all walks of life make decisions to "keep their job" that isn't always the best decision for the company/organization.
The upside is keeping your job as opposed to getting fired for letting go of a productive QB in favor of another that in all likelihood won't be as productive.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:35 am to brgfather129
quote:He's not elite, that's not debatable.
He was having the best season of his career and was a MVP candidate until he got injured. That isn't debatable.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:39 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Ok. So I say no playoff wins in 8 years. You explain why. You concede that explanation is still there. So...what's going to change?
Nope
quote:What will that really prove? All you really need to know for this topic is I don't have Stafford on that list. And I wouldn't pay anyone not on that list that much money.
Who are the QBs you have confidence in to win a title?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:42 am to shel311
quote:
He's not elite, that's not debatable
I couldn't care less if Stafford makes it on some message board "elite QB" list.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:44 am to shel311
The fan base to honestly ask the question to right now is someone like Houston, Jacksonville, Cleveland, etc. Would Houston fans sign that deal? I'd say absolutely. It's impossible to put a value on an average NFL qb until you don't have one.
This has nothing to do with being 'elite', it has to do with being an average qb which Detroit can't get anywhere close to potentially if stafford leaves. They could also franchise him in 2018 and potentially beyond right? Look at the Redskins and what that has done? Not much different from just signing the guy for 2 or 3 more years than they would likely franchise tag him for, putting it behind you, and working on other things.
This has nothing to do with being 'elite', it has to do with being an average qb which Detroit can't get anywhere close to potentially if stafford leaves. They could also franchise him in 2018 and potentially beyond right? Look at the Redskins and what that has done? Not much different from just signing the guy for 2 or 3 more years than they would likely franchise tag him for, putting it behind you, and working on other things.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 11:46 am
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:45 am to OxyCodine
Good for him but I was wishing he would be Drew's replacement.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:46 am to brgfather129
quote:You quoted my post saying he's not elite and gave an explanation that insinuated you disagreed because you couldn't care less?
I couldn't care less if Stafford makes it on some message board "elite QB" list.
Interesting...
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:48 am to shel311
quote:
You quoted my post saying he's not elite and gave an explanation that insinuated you disagreed because you couldn't care less?
No, I said I don't care about your label. I care about the level he was playing at last year.
Read better to post better.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:48 am to baldona
quote:You don't concede he's average then argue they should pay him that much.
it has to do with being an average qb which Detroit can't get anywhere close to potentially if stafford leaves.
I'll ask the same question, if the logic for signing him is that you can't simply replace him with someone as competent, where do you draw the line on how much guaranteed money you'd give this "average" player? Honest question, what's the number?
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