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re: Marcus Freeman > Brian Kelly

Posted on 10/18/25 at 6:04 pm to
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/18/25 at 6:04 pm to
BK sucks
Posted by Floridafan813
Member since Apr 2025
277 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 6:29 pm to
He did have to win 2 or 3 games to get to that NC

That feels like a bigger accomplishment than getting absolutely dominated by Bama

Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
54938 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 6:55 pm to
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Brain Kelly is a doofus


What about the AD that hired him?
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13493 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 8:48 pm to
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He did have to win 2 or 3 games to get to that NC That feels like a bigger accomplishment than getting absolutely dominated by Bama


Don’t bring facts into it. BK was 0-3 in playoff/title games at ND.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42194 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 9:28 pm to
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LSU fan- Freeman only won in year 3 because of BK’s players! Also LSU fan- BK needs more time 4 years in because Coach O left the cupboard bare!


So stating facts = coping?

BK has shite the bed.

That being said, Freeman at LSU under those circumstances would have probably been equal to BK (at best), and probably worse.

That being said, Freeman would be better long term imho. But that’s not now.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13493 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 10:16 pm to
quote:

So stating facts = coping?


When it comes to LSU fans and their irrational hatred of Freeman? Yes.

quote:

That being said, Freeman at LSU under those circumstances would have probably been equal to BK (at best), and probably worse


If my aunt had a pecker she would be my uncle.

Now enjoy the Texas Bowl while Freeman and the boys play in the CFP again.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
6660 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 10:20 pm to
quote:

So stating facts = coping?

Go look at ND's starting 22 last year. How many of them actually played under BK?
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3723 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 10:26 pm to
quote:

Don’t bring facts into it.


Freeman is just more likeable than Brian Kelly and benefitting from a 12 team playoff at Notre Dame.

He's producing the same regular season results at Notre Dame as Kelly.

Regular Season and final CFP Poll:

Brian Kelly
2018 - 12-0 (#3)
2019 - 10-2 (#15)
2020 - 10-1 (#4)
2021 - 11-1 (#5)

Marcus Freeman
2022 - 8-4 (#21)
2023 - 9-3 (#16)
2024 - 11-1 (#5)
2025 - 5-2 (No CFP Poll yet, but Notre Dame will be top 12)
This post was edited on 10/18/25 at 10:27 pm
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126606 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 10:32 pm to
Tiger Rant is terrified tBOAT is one fire!!!!!!!
Posted by bayoujd
Member since Jan 2009
3077 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 10:43 pm to
If you can’t see the difference in the style of play between a Kelly-coached team vs a Freeman-coached team, you’re hopeless.

Kelly’s teams are soft. Not physical. Can’t pick up a yard. Disorganized. Wasted timeouts. And of course Kelly takes no blame for any of it. Finger pointer to the max. He needs to GTFO ASAP.
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
36441 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 10:45 pm to
You’re very intelligent OP
This post was edited on 10/18/25 at 10:46 pm
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3723 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 10:47 pm to
And yet they both have 2 losses through the same point in the season vs the best 2 teams they both played, this year.

Until Freeman wins a title at Notre Dame, his results in the trophy case, no matter how good they make you feel about style of play on the field, are the same as Kelly at Notre Dame
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
6660 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 10:47 pm to
Freeman has Sugar Bowl and Orange Bowl trophies.
Posted by bayoujd
Member since Jan 2009
3077 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 10:52 pm to
Name a major bowl win from Kelly. Just one. I will wait.

(Freeman has 2 already. And only been a HC for 4 years.)

Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13493 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 10:56 pm to
quote:

Freeman is just more likeable than Brian Kelly and benefitting from a 12 team playoff at Notre Dame. He's producing the same regular season results at Notre Dame as Kelly.


Here’s the thing, Freeman won his playoff games, BK did not. Doesn’t matter if there are 100 teams in the playoff, if you don’t win the games you play you haven’t accomplished anything.

Freeman is a winner. His team beat a Top 25 USC tonight in a rain storm, with a freshman QB playing his worst game of the season, and 10 penalties. BK lost those games repeatedly. Think NC State in 2016 and Michigan 2019.
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3723 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:05 pm to
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Freeman has Sugar Bowl and Orange Bowl trophies


Cool

James Franklin had 2 Fiesta Bowl trophies, 2 Rose Bowl trophies, and a Cotton Bowl trophy to go along with 2 playoff wins at Penn State

All that matters at the big boy programs is national championships, and until Freeman gets one at Notre Dame, he's achieved no level higher than Brian Kelly at Notre Dame.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
6660 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:06 pm to
Those were playoff games you dumbass.
Keep telling us how BK is supposedly the #2 SEC coach though.
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3723 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:09 pm to
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Keep telling us how BK is supposedly the #2 SEC coach though.


I'm not. He made a catastrophic error in hitching his wagon to Joe Sloan and it will likely end with being run out of Baton Rouge.

He hasn't won at LSU and will be gone if he doesn't make a miraculous turnaround.

Just strictly speaking results at Notre Dame between Kelly and Freeman.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
6660 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:09 pm to
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Just strictly speaking results at Notre Dame between Kelly and Freeman.

Playoff wins then. Busted!
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68589 posts
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:11 pm to
Notre Dame in the NIL era is not fair to compare to Notre Dame in the pre-NIL era.
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