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Posted on 2/8/17 at 4:45 pm to lsupride87
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it gives you a good look on how going on wins and losses isnt exactly the best way to look at things
Wins and losses is the best way to look at things
Posted on 2/8/17 at 4:54 pm to lsupride87
quote:Even worse, that reply was to your OP.
Defensive scoring is a useless stat?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 4:54 pm to The Lou
quote:For players?
Wins and losses is the best way to look at things
For teams, obviously.
For players, obviously not, right?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 4:58 pm to The Lou
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wins and losses isnt exactly the best way to look at things
Wins and losses is the best way to look at things
er ah, which things?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:04 pm to CelticDog
wins and losses are good for comparing coaches and GMs, not for players.
I mean shite, you can argue that Joe Thomas is the best player in the NFL but he may never play in a playoff game.
I mean shite, you can argue that Joe Thomas is the best player in the NFL but he may never play in a playoff game.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:21 pm to lsupride87
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Because, what your defense gives up in points matters. What they give up in yards, not so much.
Total defense is shite
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:22 pm to lsupride87
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Defensive scoring is a useless stat?
Not useless, but it's not on the same level as total defense. Hence, you know, "total" and all. What if your team has a shitty offense that always turns the ball over or leaves the defense in short field situations? I've been an expert on this since Tebow graduated.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:23 pm to Korin
Please tell me you think yards given up is a better stat than points....
I have never seen that argument made
I have never seen that argument made
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:24 pm to lsupride87
So you've never seen total defense on NFL.com or ESPN? 
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:24 pm to Korin
quote:"Total defense" is just yards given up......
Not useless, but it's not on the same level as total defense. Hence, you know, "total" and all. What if your team has a shitty offense that always turns the ball over or leaves the defense in short field situations? I've been an expert on this since Tebow graduated.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:24 pm to Korin
It is just yards.....
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:25 pm to Korin
quote:Wait, what? I don't think "total" is quite all encompassing like you're making it out to be. It's measuring 1 thing, no more than scoring defense measures.
Hence, you know, "total" and all.
quote:What if your defense gives up a good bit of yards but is great in the redzone and also leads the league in forced turnovers, so their scoring defense is elite AND they're giving the offense a short field more than every other defense? Their 16th ranked, average total defense tells you what?
What if your team has a shitty offense that always turns the ball over or leaves the defense in short field situations?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:25 pm to lsupride87
Nevermind, now I know why you ignored total defense since it doesn't benefit Brady nearly as much as scoring defense. 
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:26 pm to lsupride87
I doubt it's easy to find, but points given up per drive is probably the best stat IMO, it's just not mainstream.
I know they have it on Pro Football Reference, but I think it's only for offenses?
I know they have it on Pro Football Reference, but I think it's only for offenses?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:26 pm to Korin
quote:This post reeks of "I figured out what total defense actually means so I better run away from that post"
Nevermind, now I know why you ignored total defense since it doesn't benefit Brady nearly as much as scoring defense.
Are you also insinuating if you do total defense, that Brady's teams will be worse than Manning or Brees?
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:27 pm to Korin
Total defense is just yards per game
Please tell me you think that effects wins and losses more than points per game given up
You look like a fool. You didn't know what total defense meant
Please tell me you think that effects wins and losses more than points per game given up
You look like a fool. You didn't know what total defense meant
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:27 pm to Korin
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Not useless, but it's not on the same level as total defense. Hence, you know, "total" and all. What if your team has a shitty offense that always turns the ball over or leaves the defense in short field situations? I've been an expert on this since Tebow graduated.
A. Total defense just means total yards, unless you've made up a new stat.
B. In a discussion of 4 all time great QBs, how can you possibly think the bolded section is an argument FOR the use of total yards defensive stat?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:27 pm to shel311
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:27 pm to lsupride87
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Total defense is just yards per game
Please tell me you think that effects wins and losses more than points per game given up
You look like a fool. You didn't know what total defense meant
Take it up with the NFL.
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