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re: Losingest NFL QB
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:25 pm to James11111
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:25 pm to James11111
quote:That is somewhat the point. Revenue sharing, draft slotting, free agency, salary cap, etc., have totally changed the league. If the current rules has been in place in the 60s, Archie Manning would have had the same career arc as Joe(y) Harrington.
I don't think owners cared as much about winning back then as they did about the bottom line.
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Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:26 pm to Gravitiger
Nathan Peterman was pretty putrid
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:28 pm to CaptainBrannigan
quote:It is though... losingest
Is not a word
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:29 pm to Gravitiger
Sam Bradford was probably pretty far under .500
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:33 pm to Glorious
quote:34-48-1 (.414 win %)
Sam Bradford was probably pretty far under .500
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:36 pm to GroundsKeeperWillie
quote:Which is why he only played two years as a part-time starter. Not 12 years as a full-time starter.
Nathan Peterman was pretty putrid
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:45 pm to Witecoco
quote:
Yesterday, I looked at quarterbacks from 2016 who started at least 8 games and threw at least 150 passes. For those passers, I calculated how many standard deviations above average they were in Relative ANY/A (i.e., how much better they were, statistically, than average) and in winning percentage. I sorted the list by the difference between the two, to find the quarterbacks whose stats and winning percentages diverged by the largest amounts.
What about historically? I performed the same study going back to 1970. And the season that stands out the most is Archie Manning’s 1980 season. That year the Saints were the worst team in the league: New Orleans went 1-15, and every other team won at least 4 games. Manning started every game for the team because he actually had a strong season, at least statistically: he ranked 9th out of 30 qualifying passers in ANY/A, and had a Relative ANY/A of +0.53. That, of course, is pretty unusual given his team’s 1-15 record.
That stands out as the biggest example of a divergence of stats being more impressive than team record.
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Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:50 pm to Bench McElroy
Don't forget our beloved Ole Ball Coach.
He was 13-24-1. A loss away from the coveted .333 WPC.
He was 13-24-1. A loss away from the coveted .333 WPC.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:50 pm to Gravitiger
Little Johnny in Cleveland was really bad
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:58 pm to Witecoco
quote:
To be fair, Archie wasn't the problem.
New Orleans didn’t deserve Archie.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:06 pm to BowDownToLSU
quote:And lasted less than one year...not 14 years. Because the league has changed.
Little Johnny in Cleveland was really bad
The OP was obviously about QBs who stuck around for a long time despite losing a ton of games. Not just "who was the worst 1st round QB"?
This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:09 pm to Gravitiger
I am very disappointed I can’t sort by QBREC at pro-football-reference.com after clicking on this thread.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:15 pm to Gravitiger
The current Saints qb is the biggest loser of them all
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:22 pm to Snoop Dawg
quote:You basically have to go through by last name, letter by letter.
I am very disappointed I can’t sort by QBREC at pro-football-reference.com after clicking on this thread.
Interesting factoid: Apparently no one with a last name beginning with "I" has ever started at QB in the NFL.
This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:43 pm to Gravitiger
Fitz isn’t a bad QB he just always on terrible teams.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:50 pm to Gravitiger
Archie was the best player on the Saints EVERY year he was on the team.
And I think he had 6 or 7 head coaches and MORE than 6 or 7 offensive coordinators in the 11 years he was here.
No QB in NFL history went through what he had to deal with.
And I think he had 6 or 7 head coaches and MORE than 6 or 7 offensive coordinators in the 11 years he was here.
No QB in NFL history went through what he had to deal with.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:53 pm to tigertown80
quote:I don't think Fitz is a bad QB. I was sort of shocked to see his career record that low. It was just a launching point for this thought exercise.
Fitz isn’t a bad QB he just always on terrible teams
This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:57 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
quote:I totally agree. But also, no QB in today's game would be kept around to see 6-7 HCs or OCs for the same team in 11 years.
Archie was the best player on the Saints EVERY year he was on the team.
And I think he had 6 or 7 head coaches and MORE than 6 or 7 offensive coordinators in the 11 years he was here.
No QB in NFL history went through what he had to deal with.
This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:58 pm to Gravitiger
Fitz has had a 2nd career renaissance. He's arguably better now that he was at his athletic peak, and his QBR is much higher now that it was in his Buffalo career.
It sort of makes sense considering his intelligence level.
It sort of makes sense considering his intelligence level.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 12:24 am to Billy Mays
quote:
It sort of makes sense considering his intelligence level.
I’ve heard rumors that he went to Harvard
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