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Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:42 am to MStreetTiger
You keep using this private business line, but in reality the Suns and any professional sports team is more than just a private business. We see more about sports on a daily basis than just about anything else. If I am a Suns fan and like the Immigration Law then I am pissed. Plus I am sure not 100% of the "higher up" part of their organization is for the jerseys.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:43 am to More beer please
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There is no need to honor a community that isnt even a large part of the private business' domain.
Seriously? Hispanics are not a significant part of the NBA's potential market?
Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:45 am to More beer please
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You keep using this private business line, but in reality the Suns and any professional sports team is more than just a private business. We see more about sports on a daily basis than just about anything else. If I am a Suns fan and like the Immigration Law then I am pissed. Plus I am sure not 100% of the "higher up" part of their organization is for the jerseys.
ditto.
Once again, what's so wrong with keeping people out of the country that don't beling here. If they want in, they know what they have to do, it's no secret. get your damn green card.
This is so bullshite to me. Basically, the hispanic community is mad they can't keep up their shite illegally in Zona? Seriously...don't be lazy and become a fricking citizen. Oh wait...if you do that, the drug industry might hit a snag once you are in the police system.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:45 am to More beer please
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but in reality the Suns and any professional sports team is more than just a private business.
Please explain this concept.
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Plus I am sure not 100% of the "higher up" part of their organization is for the jerseys.
It's been widely reported that it was Robert Sarver's (the owner of the Suns) idea.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:50 am to MStreetTiger
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Please explain this concept.
Name privates businesses that are talked about more, on tv more often than anything else, sell merchandise, have fans, and have as much pull as a professional sports team.
Oh and the Hispanics are a part of the NBA market, but not as much as the White and Black population. When was the last time the NBA honored the white or black population that are LEGAL CITIZENS.
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It's been widely reported that it was Robert Sarver's (the owner of the Suns) idea.
I know.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:52 am to More beer please
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When was the last time the NBA honored the white or black population that are LEGAL CITIZENS.
When they decided to sell authentic gear for ridiculous prices!
Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:53 am to Baloo
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Our current generation of athletes stand for nothing but moving product and selling their brand.
Their job isnt to be a politician, its to play basketball.
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but it was far more common
Yeah back during segregation.
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I'd far prefer all citizens be more engaged in politics and social issues
I agree but on their own time. A teacher should tell their students their political views because it is not their job. Outside of said job is fine, but on the job.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:57 am to More beer please
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but it was far more common
Yeah back during segregation.
uh oh
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I agree but on their own time. A teacher should tell their students their political views because it is not their job. Outside of said job is fine, but on the job.
It isn't like Steve Nash is on the job spouting his political views in between free throws. The owner is making them wear the jerseys and honestly it has more to do with making them more money than the whole being against the illegal law enforcement issue.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:58 am to More beer please
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Name privates businesses that are talked about more, on tv more often than anything else, sell merchandise, have fans, and have as much pull as a professional sports team.
So, if a company has a lot of exposure, they should not participate in politics? Have I got that right?
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Oh and the Hispanics are a part of the NBA market, but not as much as the White and Black population. When was the last time the NBA honored the white or black population that are LEGAL CITIZENS.
Hispanics represent 15.9% of the US. And, that is people that are here LEGALLY. More than African-Americans btw. If you run a business, and have a tight profit margin, you would be a fool to not market to this group, plus you do realize that they market internationally as well.
How exactly would they honor the "white population"? I'm fascinated by this idea.
This post was edited on 5/5/10 at 10:01 am
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:03 am to MStreetTiger
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How exactly would they honor the "white population"? I'm fascinated by this idea.
So its ok so honor every other race in this country but the white? I got it.
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So, if a company has a lot of exposure, they should not participate in politics? Have I got that right?
Not what I said. I said outside of what their business hours are. Example would be them taking part in an organization they actually care about without plastering it on tv. Why not fund a politician running for office or stand behind a movement without having to parade around that you are "honoring" a problem in this country.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:03 am to TexasTiger08
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Is there seriously not one person within the Suns entire organization that defends the law? If not, then they suck at electing state officials. If so, then the Suns shouldn't go forth with this move.
The owner likes the intent of the law, but not the wording and the unintended consequences of it, which is why the team is showing solidarity with the Hispanic citizens and legal residents of AZ who stand to face increased harassment from this law.
I think that the federal and state governments, as well as many private businesses, have both failed to enforce regulations and enabled illegal immigration for decades. I'm happy that Arizona is taking a stand, and passing this legislation, though poorly written, is a great first step. It's bringing the problem to the forefront, and perhaps we'll finally get this under control.
What I would propose would be for all states to have a field on their drivers' license and state ID that shows nation of citizenship (many states do not require citizenship for a license or ID). If police pull you over, they can see whether or not you're an American citizen. If you are not, then they can ask for your papers. If you don't have them, you go to jail and/or back to your country of origin.
But the main problem, and the people who have escaped criticism, are those who employ illegal immigrants. Without jobs, these people would not be here. What the feds and states need to do is levy severe penalties against those who are found to employ illegal immigrants. That would be a deterrent to hiring illegals, which would mean that fewer of them come over here.
Another item that I would bring up in the debate over illegal immigrants is related to this other issue, and that is working more closely with our neighbors to the south of us to help improve their economies there, which would help keep their people there. That's a lot more tricky and long term, however. I think that an ID system like I mentioned above and strict enforcement of workplace documentation would be excellent first steps in a national immigration plan.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:07 am to TexasTiger08
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Once again, what's so wrong with keeping people out of the country that don't beling here. If they want in, they know what they have to do, it's no secret. get your damn green card
Being opposed to this law is not the same as being in favor of illegal immigration.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:11 am to Sophandros
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What I would propose would be for all states to have a field on their drivers' license and state ID that shows nation of citizenship (many states do not require citizenship for a license or ID). If police pull you over, they can see whether or not you're an American citizen. If you are not, then they can ask for your papers. If you don't have them, you go to jail and/or back to your country of origin.
100% agree with this. I don't know why people are so against having to show IDs and comparing that to Nazi Germany....and I'm a libertarian. I guess they think it will lead to cop just pulling over Hispanics left and right without cause.
And yeah. The govt. needs to do a MUCH better job with regards to punishing people that employ these illegals. The "new" law is just a band-aid on a gunshot wound. Going after the companies hiring these illegals would be a much more viable option. The govt just never seems to be able to provide strong solutions to problems. We've seen the same nonsense with HC. They just provide band-aid for gunshot wounds....nothing that will actually get to the root of the problem.
This post was edited on 5/5/10 at 10:14 am
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:12 am to More beer please
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So its ok so honor every other race in this country but the white? I got it.
To be fair, they don't honor Jews, either.
Of course, teams wear green on St. Pat's. Does that count?
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Why not fund a politician running for office or stand behind a movement without having to parade around that you are "honoring" a problem in this country.
If you read what the Suns' owner said, you would know that he's honoring the Hispanic community in Arizona who are adversely affected by this law.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:14 am to tylercsbn9
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I guess they think it will lead to cop just pulling over Hispanics left and right without cause.
Actually, it will. The "probable cause" when looking for illegals is their appearance, which is the problem that I think will be averted by going to my ID idea. It should be noted that it would be on your STATE ID. No national IDs.
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The "new" law is just a band-aid on a gunshot wound.
I've come over to the camp that says that it's a great first step, and someone had to stand up and say, "Yo! The system's broken!", which is what AZ did.
This post was edited on 5/5/10 at 10:15 am
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:18 am to Sophandros
quote:Which is smart business. And it would be negligent of any large busines to not be involved in politics, as laws will always effect their business and bottom line.
If you read what the Suns' owner said, you would know that he's honoring the Hispanic community in Arizona who are adversely affected by this law.
Ford is famous for its right wing politics. It doesn't mean that all employees endorse this politcal view, but the company, as an entity, does. It hurts them in some ways and helps them in others. The Suns are no different. They are making a political statement, really, in order to attract Hispanic fans. I see absolutely no problem with this.
And I'm glad athletes are now allowed to have political opinions, but only on segregation.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:22 am to More beer please
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So its ok so honor every other race in this country but the white? I got it.
I notice you didn't answer my question. How exactly would they go about "honoring" the white race? Please. Details.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:31 am to Sophandros
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To be fair, they don't honor Jews, either.
There's a difference between skin color and ethnicity. Jews are "white". I guess hispanics are just "brown"...and african-americans "black".
Is a white from South Africa who is now in the U.S. not an African-American?
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:34 am to TexasTiger08
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Is a white from South Africa who is now in the U.S. not an African-American?
I tell my white South African friends who are now US citizens that they are African Americans all the time.
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