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re: LHSAA Truth in Numbers
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:55 pm to GhostofJackson
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:55 pm to GhostofJackson
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You are obtuse man. There was discussion between 3 or 4 classes and it came down to the disparity in school size. Any other reason, please cite your sources or you are pulling stuff out of your butt just like Shin who hasn't come back to admit he was wrong when I pointed out the flaws in his last argument.
Ah, I see. You are just one of those guys that like to throw around insults. Not unusual on a message board but for a second I thought you wanted to have an actual discussion.
Look at my post history and see if I like to "pull stuff out of my butt". (kind of says a lot about your mind set right there).
Ok. I'll see if I can do your work for you. Fair play though - cite any sources you have that private schools wanted to contract the number of classes they have so that "not everyone gets a trophy".
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Posted on 6/11/16 at 3:03 pm to Methuselah
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Ok. I'll see if I can do your work for you. Fair play though - cite any sources you have that private schools wanted to contract the number of classes they have so that "not everyone gets a trophy".
I would if I said that was the reason that private schools wanted to remain together. I'm not even sure where you are getting that tangent from.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 3:05 pm to GhostofJackson
Ok. Do you know how many classifications the selects were supposed to have in the very first vote to split? And why it changed?
Posted on 6/11/16 at 3:19 pm to Methuselah
2 which is utterly ridiculous. 3A and 5A schools together. As mentioned, Jesuit has 1200 boys and some of those 3A schools have 300 boys, if not less.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 3:22 pm to GhostofJackson
Posted on 6/11/16 at 3:23 pm to GhostofJackson
Let's be fair, when you can pick your kids, enrollment raw numbers don't matter as much... therefore 2 would have been fine with me
Posted on 6/11/16 at 3:25 pm to Methuselah
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Who was behind the impetus to expand it?
Schools competing with 4x their enrollment? Why is that bad? Name a single public school that is currently dealing with a 4x multiplier?
Posted on 6/11/16 at 3:27 pm to chalmetteowl
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Let's be fair, when you can pick your kids, enrollment raw numbers don't matter as much... therefore 2 would have been fine with me
So by that standard, there should be no classes at all because 2 small schools figured out how to compete with 5A schools (and FTR aren't event top tier in 5A anymore). In reality, two schools did it and good for them, that doesn't mean every school can do it.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 3:32 pm to GhostofJackson
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Schools competing with 4x their enrollment? Why is that bad? Name a single public school that is currently dealing with a 4x multiplier?
I took your call for a "cite" to my original post to mean that you denied that the private schools were against reducing the number of classes they competed in. The only other way I could see to take it is that you knew they were and were engaging in useless sophistry.
Let me ask you this to see if we can clarify positions: Do you think that numbers of students are a fine reason for dividing in classes but the ability to freely pull in students from outside of a a pre-set district is not a valid reason to do so?
Posted on 6/11/16 at 3:38 pm to Methuselah
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Do you think that numbers of students are a fine reason for dividing in classes but the ability to freely pull in students from outside of a a pre-set district is not a valid reason to do so?
Numbers of students are fine way to divide classes. In your world view, from what I gather, private schools are only taking in McDonalds All-Americans and leaving the mediocre athletes for the public schools. This is certainly not the case. It's obvious I can't change your opinion on this, nor can you change mine, so agree to disagree. You won't convince me that the private schools get the cream of the crop in athletics because, as evidenced from who plays in the NBA and NFL, that the public schools have the vast majority of representation. The talent is going there. I'm sorry if private coaches are more organized, pull from families who are more supportive of their children, and are more motivated to go above and beyond in their sports.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 3:49 pm to GhostofJackson
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Numbers of students are fine way to divide classes. In your world view, from what I gather, private schools are only taking in McDonalds All-Americans and leaving the mediocre athletes for the public schools. This is certainly not the case. It's obvious I can't change your opinion on this, nor can you change mine, so agree to disagree. You won't convince me that the private schools get the cream of the crop in athletics because, as evidenced from who plays in the NBA and NFL, that the public schools have the vast majority of representation. The talent is going there. I'm sorry if private coaches are more organized, pull from families who are more supportive of their children, and are more motivated to go above and beyond in their sports
Fair enough, agree to disagree.
Except that what you gather about my world view is not even close. 
I don't even have a strong opinion on the split. The two schools I most closely follow are - one public (Lutcher) which did just as well or even better under the old system than under the split - while the private (St. Charles) I think did better under the split.
So I don't really have a strong opinion. But when I see these discussions, arguments from both sides, but (to my judgment anyway) moreso from the privates just seem to be emotional based and they won't even recognize that there is an impact on being able to draw from large areas.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 4:09 pm to GhostofJackson
5 classes is fine for public schools (and neighboring states have more) because we can't pick our kids. we have to take in everyone...
Posted on 6/11/16 at 4:11 pm to chalmetteowl
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5 classes is fine for public schools (and neighboring states have more) because we can't pick our kids. we have to take in everyone...
Scholastically I'd agree this is difficult. Athletically, you can't convince me this is a problem.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 4:12 pm to Methuselah
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Methuselah
Maybe one day I'll get a beer with your old arse and you can tell me the secret to living 960 years haha
Posted on 6/11/16 at 5:14 pm to GhostofJackson
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Maybe one day I'll get a beer with your old arse and you can tell me the secret to living 960 years haha
Hah. Sounds good. Except docs say no drinking at all because of a bum liver (which ironically is NASH - non alcoholic - but no drinking nonetheless).
Probably a little TMI there.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 5:17 pm to chalmetteowl
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5 classes is fine for public schools (and neighboring states have more) because we can't pick our kids. we have to take
Athletics is not the main reason kids go to the vast majority of private schools.. It's ridiculous to compare the vast majority of small privates to the evangels and Curtis teams.. They play with who qualifies for entry into the school just like the vast majority of publics who play with who shows up within their district or gains entry through a magnet program.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 9:13 pm to TROLA
Exactly
Nobody is crying about Loyola or Menard or their like
If a school admin wants to sell out for sports there is very little anyone in the LHSAA can do if they follow the rules. Single them out and they will sue. Let them be and everyone else in their class gets pissed off.
This doesn't apply to just privates either. So what do you do? Apparently this era of the LHSAA says segregate the private schools for the playoffs. Which really won't address the problem.
Nobody is crying about Loyola or Menard or their like
If a school admin wants to sell out for sports there is very little anyone in the LHSAA can do if they follow the rules. Single them out and they will sue. Let them be and everyone else in their class gets pissed off.
This doesn't apply to just privates either. So what do you do? Apparently this era of the LHSAA says segregate the private schools for the playoffs. Which really won't address the problem.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 8:16 am to GGShin
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After reading through the other 2 threads, it is very evident that the Select posters seemed to think that they were being kicked out of the LHSAA but by these numbers it looks like they got a pretty good deal.
They talk abt leaving the LHSAA and forming their own Association but why?? Everything they say they want is in this Association, they can play all the "Good" Publics they want in regular season and then get to play all the Privates is the Playoffs. (If they leave LHSAA,they say all Privates going with them, but LHSAA member schools won't be able to play them.)
Let's just say every Select school in the State leaves LHSAA and they take another 20 that's 95 teams in Football, divide that by 4 classes it's 23 teams per class. Staying in LHSAA is better option.
Truth be told Selects don't want to have to play Notre Dame, Calvary, Evangel, STM, St Charles, Parkview Baptist, Teurlings, Univ Lab, when they have once in a Decade team that is really good and they meet one of these teams in 2nd/3rd Rd. No different than why NonSelects voted for split in first place, they don't want to play them either.
I'm know sure if there is a better example of the lack of understanding of what's going on and why a spit will happen as the above clueless post.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 5:35 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER
Sulphur Parks and Recreation confirms they WILL continue to accommodate LHSAA in Baseball/Softball Championships.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 5:46 pm to chalmetteowl
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5 classes is fine for public schools (and neighboring states have more) because we can't pick our kids.
There are definitely public schools that recruit kids just as much as some privates. If you think all of those players they recruit live in their attendance zone you are kidding yourself
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