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re: LHSAA Playoffs round 2 thread... the playoffs really start this week

Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:04 am to
Posted by lsutigers1992
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:04 am to
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don't understand the playoff traveling part. I'm sure it's been discussed quite a bit on here. Ruston #1 has to travel to #9 Denham Springs now.


The 1, 2, 4 and 6 seeds in DII nonselect all go on the road this week.

Destrehan is unbeaten and beat ESJ by 9 million points. But the game is in LaPlace.

It’s fricking retarded.
Posted by Seen
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:05 am to
Thanks for the clarification
Posted by RaginSaint43
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:12 am to
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This year the fans of Erath take the cake for being the most classless group I have ever seen.


Sounds about right. Nothing has changed

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On to playing @ North Vermillion who looks to be a tough team.


Go patriots! Shocked they made it this far. That division is tough I guess.
Posted by Billder
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:13 am to
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Ruston and Neville have beaten WM once each in the past 25+ years and now WM is way behind? Weird conclusion


WM absolutely has had Neville’s number and has had an impressive streak over them until last years Neville win of 28-7. No denying that. That being said, WM fans throw around the 25 year deal when Neville and WM didn’t play over half of those years. WM held a 10 game streak….not 25. We will never know but there were several years during the streak that Neville looked like the better team but they didn’t play. There were other years that Neville won in the Jamboree but they didn’t play regular season. Absolutely impressive streak, but not what WM fans seem to infer.

Ruston is another story. They’ve played every year.
This post was edited on 11/19/22 at 11:23 am
Posted by Dale Murphy
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:25 am to
I didn’t infer anything. 10 games is still an impressive streak over a top notch rival. Ruston and Ouachita have looked better several years but until this year and last couldn’t get it done.
West Ouachita beat WM in the jamboree in 1996 and WM went on to win the championship. Wouldn’t put much stock into the jams.
My only point is that it’s too early to start considering WM a lower tier team, particularly in North LA.
Granted on a state level, they’re definitely down, and may only get worse if the split dissolves like it’s rumored to.
But I’ll boldly predict that WM will beat Ruston next year and have an arguably better year than Neville.
Posted by Billder
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:35 am to
I agree with all of your points. Not arguing any of that. WM isn’t at the tip top right now like their era of dominance, but I don’t think they are going away by any means. I think they are probably one good hire away from being up top. That being said, it feels like Ruston and Ouachita have the right hires in place. I don’t expect anymore multi decade streaks.

I just wanted to make my point because the streak against Neville gets quoted the same as Ruston and Ouachita as if the streaks were all the same. They are not.
Posted by rmc
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:40 am to
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Don't let this year's WM-Zachary outcome distract you from the fact that the corruption in their matchup least year cost us (Ponchatoula) our first state title in 81 years.


Zachary has stuck around long enough to become the villain. Love it.

I just watched Zachary’s hype video for the game. They got the WM coach on some radio show bitching about Z I would assume sometime in the past two years if not very recently. Excellent job by Z’s social media staff.

If Brew wins state again this year do we start to question him being greater than JT Curtis and Don Shows?
Posted by Dale Murphy
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:53 am to
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f Brew wins state again this year do we start to question him being greater than JT Curtis and Don Shows?


If he’s able to win a bunch when the split dissolves, maybe on par with Shows.
Not even close to Curtis, strictly due to longevity.
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:00 pm to
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choupiquesushi


You can see a link to Denham-Benton highlights shared by Sta4eva on the previous page.

You can hear the inadvertent whistle on the 3rd down play where Benton was trying to milk clock by holding the Denham defenders. That was a third down when Denham had no timeouts.

As already pointed out in this thread, the Benton head coach can cry about the officials all he wants, but all he had to do was take the delay on 4th down when he was told the game clock was one second behind the play clock. Then kneel the last play which would start on the snap with 1 second.
Posted by Mr Clean
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:14 pm to
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As already pointed out in this thread, the Benton head coach can cry about the officials all he wants, but all he had to do was take the delay on 4th down when he was told the game clock was one second behind the play clock. Then kneel the last play which would start on the snap with 1 second.


The whole thing is mind boggling. What a nightmare for Benton
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:38 pm to
Yeah you gotta go all the way back to 94 st aug bonnabel for a crazier finish
Posted by grhopper
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:41 pm to
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You can hear the inadvertent whistle on the 3rd down play where Benton was trying to milk clock by holding the Denham defenders. That was a third down when Denham had no timeouts.


I feel like I'm still missing something on this play. Did they accept the penalty and run another 3rd down play? Did the injury happen during the play with the hold & IW, or on the replay of 3rd down after enforcement?
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:53 pm to
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Not even close to Curtis, strictly due to longevity.


Curtis doesn’t have the titles in the highest classification like Zachary has now

They have one they kept and one that got taken away. Zachary has four in the last decade all in 5A
This post was edited on 11/19/22 at 12:56 pm
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:54 pm to
I talked to someone at the game and still a bit hazy.a couple of interesting points:

- play clock was broken all game and was being kept on the field by official. This explains why Benton might have taken the snap too soon.

-no idea why a football scoreboard has tenths of a second. I don’t think I’ve ever seen/noticed this.

-DS recovered 2 and almost 3 onside kicks in the last few minutes to get back in it.

Refs made a few mistakes and Benton made a few. My understanding is 1st down qb fell backwards with bad snap immediately. 2nd down kneeled too quick, I think IW play was on 3rd down while qb was scrambling and team was holding everyone and almost stepped out of bounds. DS declined the penalty so they wouldn’t get another 3rd down, so ball was spotted where the IW blew it dead. Time was added back to the clock because it ran after the IW. Nobody was really sure how much time their should be . This is where it gets hazy. Brought up 4th down. On 4th down I’m not sure when play or game clock clock started but time was stopped very quickly after the quick kneel. DS ball in fg range.

Feel free to correct this if it’s wrong…
This post was edited on 11/19/22 at 12:58 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:59 pm to
The crazy part about the kneeling play in Benton/DS is that we all know the clock would have run out if the Benton kid was going forward fighting for yardage…

And another thing, in the video, it looks like the QB would have had a good view of the scoreboard and time remaining…
Posted by grhopper
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 1:14 pm to
c. The team in possession may choose to either accept the results of the play at the dead-ball spot or replay the down if, during a down or during a down in which the penalty for a foul is declined, an inadvertent whistle is sounded while the ball is in player possession.

d. The penalty shall be administered as determined by the basic spot and takes precedence over inadvertent whistle administration if, during a down, a live-ball foul occurs prior to the inadvertent whistle and the penalty is accepted.
2022 NFHS Football Rules Book - NFHS © 2022

If denham declined the penalty, then Benton should have been given the option to replay the down.
Posted by Dale Murphy
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 1:21 pm to
Valid argument. I would opine that JC would have several titles in 5A during their run. But if you’re going strictly by the book and not by the eye test, Brewer will need to win 8 with the split gone before he can be compared to Shows, and maybe even throw in a couple of MNCs if you’re so obliged.
And that’s not directed at you necessarily. Just making the point.
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 1:25 pm to
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Brewer will need to win 8 with the split gone


Meh he didn’t choose for there to be the split… can’t get those years back

That being said, imagine WM’s numbers with the split. No Evangel, no Rummel, and now no Acadiana in the way
Posted by Dale Murphy
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 1:34 pm to
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Meh he didn’t choose for there to be the split


Right. Still doesn’t change the fact that some of those titles he’s already won may not exist if not for the split. Just comparing apples to apples. Win 8 titles at the highest level with full competition and then stake the claim.
Like you said, WM would be well into double digits. And that’s just football. When I was in school we lost 3 straight years in the state tournament to the Catholic League. May be pushing double digits in baseball had the split been around since then. Of course, didn’t mean as much recently due to that little baseball school in Lake Charles.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 1:45 pm to
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They have one they kept and one that got taken away. Zachary has four in the last decade all in 5A


The one that gotten taken wasn’t in highest division

Curtis still has him in longevity so does shows
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