re: Lhsaa basketball meeting

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Mine is the BOMB

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We have a couple that work for us and when I get one assigned to my crew I KNOW I will be able to clearly read the report.

Some of our guys require you to have a degree in hieroglyphics to be able to decipher it. I have had to go through HUDL film before just to figure out what was called because I can't read the handwriting.

We’re already long past the rollout. All varsity games in GA beginning in ‘22-‘23 are played with a shot clock.

I’m guessing that GHSA changed the rules and now requires a certified official to run the shot clock.

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when I coached we played at Newman when Billy Fitzgerald was there. They were up by 8 to start the 4th Qtr and went into this big spread offense with a man at the FT line and a man in each corner. They didnt hold the ball, they were passing and cutting and moving but they were not shooting. Then BANG backdoor cut, bounce pass, and layup. They extended the lead and blew us out by 20 running a stall offense that we couldnt stop.

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What does this have to do with a shot clock between their scores and your possessions thats at least 10-12 between both teams which is fine for an 8 minute quarter, not at all what shot clocks are trying to prevent

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Not to mention one or two bad teams playing each other and the whole game becomes a farce of crazy shots and turnovers because they are not skilled enough to run an offense under pressure of the defense and the shot clock creating a constant sense of urgency.

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this just in, bad teams are bad

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is holding the ball or stalling really that big of a problem?

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In the regular season, honestly, no. The stakes are too low and no coach wants to be known as the one who will stall and prevent a proper game of basketball from being played.

In the playoffs, yes. With championships on the line, coaches will do whatever to win that they wouldnt do during the season. But since we can’t have a shot clock just for the playoffs, we have to have it for all varsity games. Freshmen and JV dont need it though, those are developmental levels

I’ll chime in take my opinion for what it’s worth

Sometimes we have a tough time getting someone to do the scoreboard that is actually paying attention

Then there’s the money thing a ton of Baton Rouge schools would have a problem with.

The thing I don’t see a lot of people with is the basketball itself. There’s a lot of really bad teams that wouldn’t be able to function with a 30 second shot clock

I voluntarily run the clock for our local school. As far as harassment, depends on importance of game. I was told someone was threatening me, but I am good at ignoring the crowd noise.

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What does this have to do with a shot clock between their scores and your possessions thats at least 10-12 between both teams which is fine for an 8 minute quarter, not at all what shot clocks are trying to prevent

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they did not have to shoot if they did not want to shoot. They were not holding the ball, they were moving and passing, they just didnt shoot until they had a layup. They made us chase them, bled us to death and then blew us out. With a shot clock they would have had to shoot the ball whether they wanted to or not.

The question I have is what is the problem we are trying to fix? A team standing at half court holding the ball daring the defense to come get them? The defense and its HC decide how to approach the team holding the ball. COme out and guard them or stand there and let the clock run.

Do we want to legislate against a team running motion offense and killing clock with possession? why?

My point is are these big enough issues to change the rules for every team in the state?

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this just in, bad teams are bad

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You dont seem to understand that the stress of a shot clock could also make a mediocre team bad. You are running offense versus the defense and the shot clock. That may not be much of an issue for Big school boys and girls, but what about everybody else in the state?

The same rule that applies to top level Div 1 boys select teams and Div 4 non-select girls. And everyone in between

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In the regular season, honestly, no. The stakes are too low and no coach wants to be known as the one who will stall and prevent a proper game of basketball from being played.

In the playoffs, yes. With championships on the line, coaches will do whatever to win that they wouldnt do during the season. But since we can’t have a shot clock just for the playoffs, we have to have it for all varsity games. Freshmen and JV dont need it though, those are developmental levels

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STM is known for getting a lead, going into their four corners offense late in games and running clock or getting layups. In the Div 2 State Championship two years ago they faced Liberty in the Finals and Liberty did the exact same thing to them to beat them. It was ironic to say the least. STM had the choice, go out and guard them or sit back and let the game bleed out. They chose to guard them, made it very hairy for Liberty but eventually Liberty won by 4.

If a team is standing at half court holding the ball, THE DEFENSE has chosen not to guard them. They have the choice to go out there, they just choose not to do it as part of their strategy.

With a ten second rule and a 30 second shot clock, a team effectively has about 21 seconds to run an offense and get a decent shot. When we see NBA and CBB struggle with this, I can not imagine what that will look like at the HS level. Only having the rule at the Varsity level makes the potential for unintended consequences far worse.

NFHS says 35 second shot clock

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so every team in the state... they'll all play by the same rules

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and the hilarity ensues, some of the blowouts would be off the charts

but once again, what problem are we trying to fix?

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we're trying to fix stuff like Southern Lab holding the ball for three minutes in the state semifinal... and in Illinois someone held the ball for an entire quarter. i'd be fine if it was just in the state semifinals and finals with professional operators in a college building, but people would bitch about that so it has to be every game statewide

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which brings us back to square one

why are we changing the rules for every varsity team in the state to “fix” what you are describing

it is important to differentiate between teams that run half court motion offenses and are patient milking possessions versus teams that stand at halfcourt with the ball and the lead and dare you to guard them M2M

article on the game

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LAKE CHARLES — After leading the previous three quarters entirely, fourth-seeded Lincoln Prep lost control in the fourth Monday afternoon as Southern Lab rallied for a 51-46 win over the Panthers in semifinals action of the LHSAA Div. I Select School boys basketball playoffs inside Burton Coliseum.

Lincoln Prep had led by as many as 10 points at 25-15 with 5:31 remaining in the third quarter and still led by eight at 29-21 with 2:04 left in the stanza. But then momentum seemed to seep away from the Panthers as the Kittens ended the quarter with a 7-0 run punctuated by a long 3-pointer by Brown that fell through the net an instant before the horn sounded, making the score 29-28 heading into the fourth quarter.

And despite having an obvious smaller bench in terms of numbers, the Kittens were still fresh heading into the fourth quarter. That’s because after Southern Lab cut Lincoln Prep’s lead to 17-15 with 4:27 mark of the second quarter after trailing by five earlier in the stanza, when the Kittens took their next possession, they held the ball.

Lincoln Prep stayed back in a 2-3 zone and the Kittens’ point guard just held the ball … for nearly four minutes, until the game clock hit the 30 second mark, before finally dribbling to start a play.

Southern Lab didn’t score as it remained 17-15 at halftime, but taking the air out of the ball at that point seemingly set up a fast and furious finish in the fourth quarter. And it didn’t take long into that stanza to realize that the Kittens were still riding the momentum gained by the buzzer-beating 3-pointer at the end of the third quarter.

The Kittens earned their first tie of the contest at 33-33 with 6:10 left on the clock. They then took their first lead of the game 25 seconds later. By the time the Panthers scored their next basket, they were down 39-35 after Devin Burton’s layup with 4:20 left. And they never got any closer than four points behind the Kittens the rest of the contest.

“We just didn’t execute when we needed to the most,” Hudson said. “It just got away from us. (Southern Lab) just got the momentum in the fourth quarter and turned things the other way.

“I’m proud of this team. I think we all wanted this for my seniors who went to state every year of their high school careers. We want to be back next year. I’ve got to work on finding a way to go all the way when we do.”

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so the Lincoln coach chose to let SLAB hold the ball because he didnt think he could guard them M2M, there was no unfairness from the rules, just a competitive advantage for SLAB physically that lincoln prep chose not to attack

as a fan you didnt like that passiveness, so you want to change the rules for every team in the state.

I respectfully disagree, I think changing the rules is an over reaction to a minor and relatively rare situation

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we're trying to fix stuff like Southern Lab holding the ball for three minutes in the state semifinal... and in Illinois someone held the ball for an entire quarter. i'd be fine if it was just in the state semifinals and finals with professional operators in a college building, but people would bitch about that so it has to be every game statewide

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shaw did that to beat a VERY good carver team years ago something like 12-8

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I think we may see less development because teams will just keep the ball in the hands of their best player to try to get better shots with the shot clock winding down

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That’s without a doubt going to happen, but it should be a handful of times a game and that will without a doubt make that kid better.
If you want to just do that every possession, then you're a shitty Coach and you are probably already doing that anyway.

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so that is a style of play that you dont like

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I don’t think you understood what I meant. What I don’t like is what I said. Passing the ball around the perimeter and never penetrating and just chucking up 3’s. That’s not a good offense at any level of basketball. I didn’t say I dislike the 5 out offense. I have no problem with the Princeton offense. What I have a problem with is shooting threes every time down the court without ever trying to get to the goal, and that’s something you are seeing more and more of.

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Holding the ball is standing at halfcourt and daring a team to guard them man to man that wants to play zone.

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That’s not how that works.