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re: Lets Talk Conference Expansion
Posted on 9/12/12 at 4:36 pm to Buckeye Backer
Posted on 9/12/12 at 4:36 pm to Buckeye Backer
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No school is paying 50 million to leave the ACC
That's exactly right - if they want to go, they end up paying a lot less. Not saying the ACC is going anywhere (I don't think it is) but this isn't the hurdle some think it is.
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Posted on 9/12/12 at 4:55 pm to Klark Kent
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SEC for example. who could the SEC add at this point, not from the the ACC, BIG10, BIG12, and PAC12, that would make it a financial plus?
there is only one football team that could; Notre Dame isn't joining the SEC
Posted on 9/12/12 at 4:59 pm to OrangeBlood
Nobody is payong fifty million to leave acc.
Texas signed its tv rights to the conference for 13 years so they arent leaving either.
Texas signed its tv rights to the conference for 13 years so they arent leaving either.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:10 pm to lsu777
That $50MM is just the first number in the negotiation. If someone really wants to leave, it will be worked down to manageable. Still a big arse hurdle though.
I see things being somewhat stable in the near term.
Cincy won't be going to the B1G, OSU won't let them.
I do think there needs to be a new basketball league formed with members of the Big East and A10 into a Catholic league. A lot good basketball schools with 1AA programs for football.
The other thing to keep an eye on is how many teams keep jumping up to Div 1. Those upstart Texas programs making the jump are going to transition to 1A smoother than people think, and it may make some other programs think about it.
I see things being somewhat stable in the near term.
Cincy won't be going to the B1G, OSU won't let them.
I do think there needs to be a new basketball league formed with members of the Big East and A10 into a Catholic league. A lot good basketball schools with 1AA programs for football.
The other thing to keep an eye on is how many teams keep jumping up to Div 1. Those upstart Texas programs making the jump are going to transition to 1A smoother than people think, and it may make some other programs think about it.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:17 pm to TigerintheNO
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there is only one football team that could; Notre Dame isn't joining the SEC
where in my post do insinuate that ND is joining the SEC?
that's my point, there won't be superconferences any time soon because there is no financial benefit to adding smaller universities that aren't in the SEC, B1G, PAC-12, and BIG12.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:35 pm to Buckeye Backer
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50 million dollars says you're wrong! The ACC just solidified their conference for the next 20-30 years! No school is paying 50 million to leave the ACC...not happening.
$50 mil is chump change for Slive. He spent more on spilled alcohol last year than what the ACC made.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:42 pm to USMC Gators
I really can't think of a viable option for the SEC to go after now that Clemson,Vtech,FState & UNC are locked in with the ACC now.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:12 pm to JBeam
If the SEC ever expands to 16 teams (and I'm far from convinced it will ever happen) the new teams will not be OU and OSU but USF and UCF.
I know what the knee-jerk reaction to that will be, but think it over carefully.
I know what the knee-jerk reaction to that will be, but think it over carefully.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:21 pm to M. Physema
quote:They'll sign Southern Miss & Houston before signing those two bud. Name me some of the reasons why those two are attractive?
USF and UCF.
I know what the knee-jerk reaction to that will be, but think it over carefully.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:30 pm to JBeam
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They'll sign Southern Miss & Houston before signing those two bud. Name me some of the reasons why those two are attractive?
Houston's not a bad call on some levels (I'd forgotten about them), but not so good on some others. Southern Miss, never in a million years.
Those two are attractive, because:
1) Over the last 10-15 years their respective admins have been seriously pushing forward to transform the academics from crappy dumbass commuter schools to serious universities. They may still rank below the two MS schools right now but the gap is shrinking rapidly.
2) Decent-sized home stadiums.
3) Football programs that continue to improve thanks to admins that are willing to commit resources to their improvement.
4) Mondo enrollments which means plenty of resources to be allocated if the admins so desire.
5) Did I mention TV MARKETS?
Let me know if I forgot anything.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:34 pm to M. Physema
This post was edited on 2/6/13 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:38 pm to JDM1992
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The SEC will never accept a mid-major school (or one that wasn't always a major school)
That's why I said I'm far from convinced it will ever happen at all - because if it does it pretty much has to be these two, and what you said could well be a dealkiller.
That said, I would stop just a little bit short of saying "never".
This post was edited on 9/12/12 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:43 pm to JBeam
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Name me some of the reasons why those two are attractive?
The most obvious reason is probably sheer number of students and alumni (which are important for merchandise, marketing, and advertising sales).
UCF enrollment in 2011 - 56,337
USF enrollment in 2011 - 47,122
For reference, the average SEC enrollment in 2011 was 29,861.
That being said, I don't think this would really be a first choice situation, and Florida certainly wouldn't be a fan. New TV markets, yada yada. It would serve to essentially lock up all but a few smaller areas of Florida, which has the second largest population base out of the SEC states by nearly double the numbers of Georgia.
Another interesting long-term (repeat: LONG TERM) option could be Texas State. Another Texas school (largest population base out of the SEC markets), over 34 thousand students, located between Austin and San Antonio (read: a large population center), potential to weaken the marketability of rival conferences (read: more money).
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:58 pm to Klark Kent
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where in my post do insinuate that ND is joining the SEC?
No where, I was just answering your question
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that's my point, there won't be superconferences any time soon because there is no financial benefit to adding smaller universities that aren't in the SEC, B1G, PAC-12, and BIG12.
no, that was my point
Posted on 9/12/12 at 7:09 pm to Buckeye Backer
I wouldn't be shocked to see the SEC stand pat.
The Big East just needs to disband and get it over with. Full on firesale. But it'd be awful if some of those schools that hauled arse from Conference USA ended up back there in some shape or form. It certainly seems that way if the Big 12 is legitimately content on sitting where they're at.
The Big East just needs to disband and get it over with. Full on firesale. But it'd be awful if some of those schools that hauled arse from Conference USA ended up back there in some shape or form. It certainly seems that way if the Big 12 is legitimately content on sitting where they're at.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 7:12 pm to BluegrassBelle
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The Big East just needs to disband and get it over with. Full on firesale. But it'd be awful if some of those schools that hauled arse from Conference USA ended up back there in some shape or form. It certainly seems that way if the Big 12 is legitimately content on sitting where they're at.
The Big East is better off than people think. They now have teams in every timezone which will bring tv money. They aren't going to get big boy money but more than the 1-3 million the teams were getting in MWC and CUSA. I can see BYU and Louisville joining the Big 12 in the next 5 years.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 7:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
Hope things stand pat at 12 max for everyone.
16-18 is ridiculous, this isn't basketball and conferences that big have no identity.
Everything just becomes corporate bullshite with a mish-mosh of teams and marketing.
16-18 is ridiculous, this isn't basketball and conferences that big have no identity.
Everything just becomes corporate bullshite with a mish-mosh of teams and marketing.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 7:22 pm to WeeWee
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The Big East is better off than people think. They now have teams in every timezone which will bring tv money. They aren't going to get big boy money but more than the 1-3 million the teams were getting in MWC and CUSA. I can see BYU and Louisville joining the Big 12 in the next 5 years.
And for the money they bring in through tv money, they take a major hit in travel expenses/accommodations. Especially if travel costs continue to rise. A 3 hour team charter to Boise from Louisville for not just football but basketball and then all of your non-revenue sports puts a dent in that TV money in a hurry. And they're not going to sign the kind of deal that the Big 12, Big 10, SEC, or ACC will sign.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 7:24 pm to Zamoro10
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Hope things stand pat at 12 max for everyone.
little to late for the ACC
Posted on 9/12/12 at 7:27 pm to jcole4lsu
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Id expect UConn to be the 16th ACC team. The superconference thing is on permanent hold I believe, there arent enough decent additions to bring the B1G, Big XII, SEC, and PAC12 up to 16.
We almost had FSU and Clemson bolting for the Big 12 this year. The SEC won't sit idly by, history has shown us that.
I fully expect Virginia and NC State to be SEC members at some point.
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