re: Let's talk about Tom Brady's last 8 playoff losses

those are not receivers. I'm not saying they are top talent.

No one is arguing that brady has not played with some great talent, of course he has. Manning has never played with scrubs like troy brown, david patten and Antoine smith, and back to point

they both have had talent and this year that swung in mannings favor. big whoop.

the point is, manning does not play consistently in the playoffs...brady does. What is so difficult to understand? I'm only arguing about talent because now it is being inferred that manning plays with horseshite for talent.

what would brady do with welker and Thomas, probably well, oh but the point is that he had welker and an infinitely better TE so Manning > Brady (these are "stats" btw) while ignoring that there is an absent variable there and he is one of the 3 best receivers in the league (DT). So UK, because he is deliberately obtuse, is insinuating that welker/gronk/hernandez is a better cast than demaryius Thomas/welker/decker/Thomas...give me a fricking break

I think manning is better but that is simply because he is better, and the (regular season) numbers/efficient stats, etc. prove it. not because of some circular kindergarten logic involving wes welker.

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had him for two years. These retard face defenders are funny.

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I am not defending Manning. I don't care what people think about him. I think he a choker.

I'm just looking at the facts. Brady is a choker too if Manning is...as he has performed worse in the playoffs.

Brees is the GOAT

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Manning has put up crazy numbers no matter the receivers on multiple teams and systems

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I agree, though it is worth noting that "no matter the receivers" is laughable because they've always been top shelf

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Brady only put up crazy numbers with Welker

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this is true, and again I think manning is significantly better, but that is disingenuous. Welker is the best receiver brady has had for more than 2 or 3 years. While Manning had wayne and harrsson for the majority of their careers.

Doesn't mean TB is better, but it is worth noting. You make it sound like TB is some slouch who is only good because he is being made to look good by top talent. That is absurd.

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that is why TB has 3 and manning has 1.

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Tom Brady had a better defense, a better kicker (Vinetari makes the kicks, Vanderjagt blew them), and Joe Flacco's receiver dropped the game winner vs the Patriots while he caught the game winner vs the Broncos.

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This obviously sounds more reasonable than "stat-padding," which I suspect is a comment you made that I've misinterpreted slightly.

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The stat padding comment was only because as we watched that Saints playoff game, for 3 quarters we kept seeing that Drew Brees was having an all-time worst game in a Saints uniform. His defense kept the game close enough to have a puncher's chance. Drew definitely had a good 4th quarter and with one more defensive stop may have had a great chance to tie the game.

I was trying to rebuttalt the comment from another poster that stated that Drew Brees was much better against the Seahawks.

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he is undoubtedly the best...when did he become responsible for Tom Brady's skill as a passer?

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Be's responsible for bearing the weight of his team's plans and performances. He's arguably the greatest coach ever, having a coach does wonders for a team. Organization, consistency, and game planning are all on the coaches. Does he make the throws? No. But he does everything else leading up to that throw, that is a BIG advantage.

as #1s go, yes he was.

mannings biggest chokes were games where he had a sub 40 qb rating. Manning had the best season in NFL history up to that point in 04, and he turned in a 30 qb rating in the title game...that is a choke. Had brady done that in any playoff game during their championship run, NE would have lost.

the lowest qb rating TB has ever had where his team won was a 57.7, which happened twice. Both post championship run. Peyton Manning's lowest qb rating where his team won was a 39.6 and that team won the super bow. So, if you still contend that brady was carried his titles then it must be very upsetting to learn that Manning was certainly carried to his only one.

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Finally. Brady's 4 WORST passer ratings in the post season are:
62.3
57.6
57.5
49.1

Mannings are
62.3
39.6
35.5
31.2

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I'd like to see the dates on these. Can you provide them, or do I need to do my own homework?