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re: Let's talk about Tom Brady's last 8 playoff losses
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:56 pm to DelU249
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:56 pm to DelU249
quote:
we really haven't been disagreeing on much which is why I keep asking you wtf your argument is.
It's simple:
Brady gets TOO much credit for his Super Bowls
Manning gets TOO much blame for his losses
When in fact, Brady has performed worse overall in the playoffs through the years.
This tells me Manning is held to a higher standard which is an implicit admission he is better than Brady.
That's it. Basically I'm in this thread to counter the Brady worship based off mythology and bring the discussion back to reality.
Both are great.
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 1:23 pm
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:57 pm to ballscaster
quote:You need reading lessons. I looked at the playoff run and said was wasn't doing the heavy lifting for the run. I was right. For the run, he quite obviously wasn't the chief lifter. Get a grip.
You said he didn't do any of the heavy lifting. You were wrong.
And, you're smart to not address the fact that he basically stunk that postseason otherwise. Hence, he STILL lived up to his rep.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:58 pm to SettleDown
quote:Peyton Manning leads his team to an 18-point comeback against Tom Brady's Patriots in the AFC title game, and Manning is the quarterback who imploded. You're making Mary Lou Retton look like Mike Utley.
The year he wont it all, he actually did what he always has done. He f'n imploded. He just got away with it that year.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:59 pm to theunknownknight
quote:I've found this to be true.
Brady gets TOO much credit for his Super Bowls
Manning gets TOO much blame for his losses
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:59 pm to SettleDown
quote:Great way to make sure I don't finish reading the rest of the post.
You need reading lessons.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:00 pm to bayoujd
quote:But it isn't like his success has stopped since then. They were easily the best team in 07 and lost to Eli on the memorable play. Then made it back a couple years later only to have another late Eli drive beat them. Multiple AFC championship game appearances and they consistently win their division.
I'm sure it has been mentioned but Brady has not won a Super Bowl since Spygate and since Charlie Weis left as OC.
Pre-Spygate, they had 75 regular season wins, 5 playoff berths, 4 AFC Championship game appearances and 3 SBs in 7 years. Post-Spygate, 7 years 88 wins, 6 playoff berths, 4 AFC Champ appearances, but zero SBs in 2 shots.
The last 7 years has to do with the emergence of Brady as one of the games premiere QBs but, was that due to Spygate or Brady being really fricking good? New England could very well be 1-4 in their SB appearance had Brady not led game winning drives in the first two.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:00 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Brady gets TOO much credit for his Super Bowls
Manning gets TOO much blame for his losses
This is true for the quarterback position in general. It just comes with the territory.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:00 pm to ballscaster
quote:
Peyton Manning leads his team to an 18-point comeback against Tom Brady's Patriots in the AFC title game, and Manning is the quarterback who imploded. You're making Mary Lou Retton look like Mike Utley.
Manning does implode at times. Not gonna dispute that.
I'm here to remind people that Brady won a Super Bowl MVP throwing for 145 yards and barely getting his team in field goal range to win the game...and if Manning had done the exact same thing...people would have said "he almost choked the game away"
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:02 pm to theunknownknight
quote:There's a guy basically doing that on this page.
I'm here to remind people that Brady won a Super Bowl MVP throwing for 145 yards and barely getting his team in field goal range to win the game...and if Manning had done the exact same thing...people would have said "he almost choked the game away"
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:02 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
t's simple:
Brady gets TOO much credit for his Super Bowls
Manning gets TOO much blame for his losses
When in fact, Brady has preformed worse overall in the playoffs through the years.
This tells me Manning is held to a higher standard which is an implicit admission he is better than Brady.
That's it. Basically I'm in this thread to counter the Brady worship based off mythology and bring the discussion back to reality.
Both are great.
I don't usually agree with you, but this should be the end of the thread.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:06 pm to hikingfan
Let's just solve this once and for all.
Tom Brady v. Peyton Manning
MMA gloves
no holds barred
no time limits
Tom Brady v. Peyton Manning
MMA gloves
no holds barred
no time limits
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:06 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
I don't usually agree with you, BUT
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:06 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:08 pm to boom roasted
quote:Manning will be beating the pulp out of Brady one on one, then Belechek will come out the corner and hit manning in the back of the head with a chair, and people will say Brady is better because "he won"
Let's just solve this once and for all.
Tom Brady v. Peyton Manning
MMA gloves
no holds barred
no time limits
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:08 pm to boom roasted
quote:That would probably be one of the most boring things of all time. In order to sell it you'd have to have a main event of Hill v. Hyde to the death, to settle the "who gets drafted first debate."
Let's just solve this once and for all.
Tom Brady v. Peyton Manning
MMA gloves
no holds barred
no time limits
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:15 pm to DelU249
quote:
because if not for mannings defense bailing him out of an all time stinker performance against baltimore, they're not even in that game.
Some of you guys need to coordinate your responses. You are ripping Manning for having a poor game against the Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Rex Ryan coached Baltimore Ravens defense, yet earlier, one of your partners in this debate posted this...
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offshoretrash (Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:01 am to ballscaster)
That's ridiculous to call those losses choking when he was playing against some of the best defenses ever.
I also seeing the debate focus change. One minute it's entire playoff related, the next it focuses only on the Super Bowl. But, but, Peyton Manning has never carried his team to a Super Bowl win. As if he didn't carry that Jim Caldwell coached team to a 14-0 record and the Super Bowl game. Maybe Peyton should have been on the front line of the kickoff return unit.
Has anybody mentioned that when Manning got hurt, his team earned the first pick in the draft? When Brady got injured his team went 11-5. How about that time Tom Brady sat on the sidelines and watched his backup win the AFC championship game for him? Are we giving Brady all the credit for winning his first Super Bowl when he didn't even factor in the AFC Championship game?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:21 pm to Sanchito
quote:
But it isn't like his changing organizations has stopped him. They were easily the best team in 12 and lost to Baltimore on the memorable play. Then made it to the Super Bowl the next year only to have Seattle thouroughly abuse the entire team. Multiple AFC #1 seeds and they consistently win their division.
fify
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:25 pm to Choupique19
quote:Nice.
Choupique19
Posted on 2/4/14 at 2:06 pm to Gavroche
quote:
In the 12 seasons he has played in his career (throwing out the year he tore his knee up in Week 1) he's lead his team to 8 AFC Championship Games, 5 Super Bowl appearances and won 3 Lombardis. That is a fricking phenomenal resume.
this is really all that matters
thats damn impressive, i dont care what team is around you...
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