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re: Let's talk about Tom Brady's last 8 playoff losses
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:42 am to Choupique19
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:42 am to Choupique19
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Just imagine how good Brady could be if he had a receiver like Wes Welker and a tight end as good as Julian Thomas.
He might get over 25 TD passes
* * oh yeah, assuming they don't get injured like they did while with manning
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:43 am to ballscaster
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I don't know if that's a fair thing to say. The Saints weren't that far from pulling off quite a comeback.
Thanks to a great defensive performance. Manning's defense Sunday couldn't get off the field on 3rd down, and the special teams joined in that mix. Even still, the Saints had the ball while within 8 points for about 20 seconds of that game, 70 yards away, with no timeouts.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:44 am to DelU249
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not even the best option among Denver's receivers
It's amazing isn't it?
How much Brady needed him...
...and Manning...not so much
Hmmm
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:45 am to ballscaster
verlanderbeast is arguing the same nonsensical points as you...it is time to step back and reflect.
BTW, is anyone going to dispute that brady is more consistent in the playoffs, that brady was the catalyst for the 04 run, that brady having the same numbers as joe flacco in the early years =/= equal trajectory or talent,
is anyone going to dispute common fricking sense or are we back to which qb is better? Because I've said all along it is manning.
BTW, is anyone going to dispute that brady is more consistent in the playoffs, that brady was the catalyst for the 04 run, that brady having the same numbers as joe flacco in the early years =/= equal trajectory or talent,
is anyone going to dispute common fricking sense or are we back to which qb is better? Because I've said all along it is manning.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:45 am to DelU249
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but Thomas was fricking legit even with tebow, just because the MSB didn't want to recognize him didn't mean he was a slouch. He is a top wideout.
Yes, Demaryius Thomas is an elite reciever, I concede that.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:46 am to theunknownknight
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How much Brady needed him...
he was their only receiver
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...and Manning...not so much
I didn't say manning didn't need him, and he isn't the best option because the go to is demaryius Thomas, not Julian eddelman...I actually missed the nonsense you would argue in the name of trolling
glad you're back.Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:47 am to hikingfan
quote:Since this thread is obviously in response to manning threads, has anyone pointed out the obvious? In his last 8 losses, manning has 12 tds and 9 ints? Oooh. Glaring difference!!!! I mean, ya know. Since the OP only wants to compare losses. Also, both are, 8-8 in their last 16 games postseason. So. During Bradys "down" years, he has put up numbers roughly similar to peyton's UP years. Great OP!!
Tom Brady has an average QB rating of 77.6 with a 11 TD to 10 INT ratio in his last 8 postseason losses (since his last ring in 2004).
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:48 am to DelU249
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anyone going to dispute common sense
I think we have relied more on stats and facts for our arguments.
We'll leave the "common" sense up to you sense that's apparently a superpower these days
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:48 am to Choupique19
quote:And one of the most underrated in my opinion. I'd put him top 5. He has an incredible combination of size and speed.
Demaryius Thomas is an elite reciever
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:49 am to SettleDown
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During Bradys "down" years, he has put up numbers roughly similar to peyton's UP years. Great OP
what it boils down to. Again, manning has had 3 postseason games with a qb rating below 35, one of those his team won en route to a championship. Manning spent his whole career to play as consistently in the playoffs as Tom Brady in his down years.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:51 am to theunknownknight
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stats and facts
averages are such solid stats...
especially when the point I've made all along is that TB is more consistent relative to his level of play in the playoffs.
Also these stats completely ignore some of the most obvious and highly impactful variables.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:51 am to DelU249
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he was their only receiver
Yeah...who's that Moss guy...that proven HoF'er before he met Brady again? And Gronk?
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 11:51 am
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:51 am to theunknownknight
where was that moss guy last year? I didn't see him.
and yeah, welker was a #2 when moss was in town, and brady threw 50 TDs to like 4 Ints.
Moss was cut, he must've been really awesome that last of the 3 years he played with brady.
again, I'm not arguing that brady is better, he is clearly not, I'm not oblivious to the fact Manning has played with top talent his whole career making his epic chokes all the more fantastic.
and yeah, welker was a #2 when moss was in town, and brady threw 50 TDs to like 4 Ints.
Moss was cut, he must've been really awesome that last of the 3 years he played with brady.
again, I'm not arguing that brady is better, he is clearly not, I'm not oblivious to the fact Manning has played with top talent his whole career making his epic chokes all the more fantastic.
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 11:55 am
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:55 am to DelU249
quote:It's funny because the period of time being discussed is the period where people started saying "maybe Brady has fallen off" AND its the period whee Manning hit over the hump and started getting real "GOAT" talk.
what it boils down to. Again, manning has had 3 postseason games with a qb rating below 35, one of those his team won en route to a championship. Manning spent his whole career to play as consistently in the playoffs as Tom Brady in his down years.
Yet, they've been very similar stats wise.
The people arguing in this thread about how Brady isn't all that since certain coaching transitions then tell u a guy who put up no better a numbers is the. GOAT
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:55 am to DelU249
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TB is more consistent relative to his level of play in the playoffs.
"Relative to his level" of play
Which is a worse drop in stats from the regular season to the playoffs than manning...
And worse in the playoffs overall than Manning
"Relative to his level" is like saying he runs good for a 5 year old...so he is faster than a 25 year old
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:56 am to DelU249
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he was their only receiver
Gronk and Aaron Hernandez disagree.
Welker, Gronk, and Hernandez are a formidable receiving corps.
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:56 am to theunknownknight
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Yeah...who's that Moss guy...that proven HoF'er before he met Brady again? And Gronk
I'm not sure what you're arguing, when brady has big talent he puts up crazy numbers? yeah, no shite. That's because he is good. Are you arguing that manning has never had that kind of talent. if so,
@ you. what exactly are you arguing about?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:57 am to DelU249
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Moss was cut, he must've been really awesome that last of the 3 years he played with brady.
You're just proving how dependent Brady was on Welker...someone Manning viewed as a plug and play into his system.
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:58 am to DelU249
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what exactly are you arguing about?
Manning has put up crazy numbers no matter the receivers on multiple teams and systems.
Brady only put up crazy numbers with Welker
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:59 am to SettleDown
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So. During Bradys "down" years, he has put up numbers roughly similar to peyton's UP years. Great OP!!
Yet Manning has better career playoff stats that Brady? How does that work again?
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