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re: LeBron James: NFL owners are ‘old white men’ with a ‘slave mentality’ toward players
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:29 am to VADawg
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:29 am to VADawg
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but he who writes the checks has the power.
That's not really under dispute. All LeBron was saying (admittedly in a really poor way) was that NBA owners do a better job of treating their employees as partners in the continued growth and success of the league, as opposed to the NFL which tends to treat players with a heavier hand.
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Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:29 am to NIH
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And your comment about replacement value isn’t really that true, at least NFL wise. How many UDFAs are playing these days? A shite ton. Outside of a few positions, NFL teams can dig deep on their rosters as still keep chugging along if the rest of the roster is solid.
I meant Shane Falco replacement level. Those UDFAs are still NFL players.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:30 am to Draconian Sanctions
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That's not really under dispute. All LeBron was saying (admittedly in a really poor way) was that NBA owners do a better job of treating their employees as partners in the continued growth and success of the league, as opposed to the NFL which tends to treat players with a heavier hand.
Employees are not partners. They are employees. In this case, the employees are largely poorly educated compared to the employer.
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 8:31 am
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:31 am to VADawg
its kinda funny to me that people are having this take in this thread, but when i start talking about how we shouldnt be mad at KD for simply taking the best job available that any of us would do, i get told "sports arent like any regular job, come on"
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:31 am to Draconian Sanctions
That’s kind of an asinine point. NFL teams over the last ten years have been more efficient in UDFA signings and late round picks than ever. That allows teams a lot of freedom to cut or trade unproductive veterans. Do you have a problem with that?
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:34 am to VADawg
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Employees are not partners.
and this is where we fundamentally disagree. Not just in pro sports but in life. If you want to foster and develop talent you should work with them rather than talk down to or at them.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:35 am to NIH
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That’s kind of an asinine point. NFL teams over the last ten years have been more efficient in UDFA signings and late round picks than ever. That allows teams a lot of freedom to cut or trade unproductive veterans. Do you have a problem with that?
Again, those are still NFL players. I mean replacement as in the guys who come in during a strike or a lockout. The quality of play is DRAMATICALLY worse.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:39 am to Draconian Sanctions
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If you want to foster and develop talent you should work with them rather than talk down to or at them
You can treat an employee with respect while still having a clear chain of command. I don't believe that Joe Fratstar who is 6 months out of college should have the same power and level of say as the manager who has been in the office for 5+ years.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:40 am to Bench McElroy
I think I see his point but he's using terrible labels that aren't close to accurate.
Maybe if he said nba is like american capitalism while and nfl is more like a successful communism. But that's not totally correct either.
Just another typical know it all liberal spewing hateful, divisive rhetoric
Maybe if he said nba is like american capitalism while and nfl is more like a successful communism. But that's not totally correct either.
Just another typical know it all liberal spewing hateful, divisive rhetoric
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:40 am to WestCoastAg
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its kinda funny to me that people are having this take in this thread, but when i start talking about how we shouldnt be mad at KD for simply taking the best job available that any of us would do, i get told "sports arent like any regular job, come on"
there are a lot of mental gymnastics that go on around here
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
Nba owners are “nicer” because they have to be. Each player on a team has far more importance in basketball due to only 5 players on the court at a time compared to 11
The only football position with that importance is QB. And low and behold, they are treated “nicer” by the owner due to that and have far more say in things
We all knew that. It’s common sense. We don’t need an overgrown toddler equating it to fricking slavery for us to understand
The only football position with that importance is QB. And low and behold, they are treated “nicer” by the owner due to that and have far more say in things
We all knew that. It’s common sense. We don’t need an overgrown toddler equating it to fricking slavery for us to understand
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:42 am to Bench McElroy
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Every Sunday, without Todd Gurley and without Odell Beckham Jr., without those players, those guys, there is no football. And it’s the same in the NBA
This is the point getting under most of y’all skin...It’s the one statement y’all can’t refute...because who would want to see a all-white league
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Yours has been quite fantastic in here
there are a lot of mental gymnastics that go on around here
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:43 am to VADawg
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I don't believe that Joe Fratstar who is 6 months out of college should have the same power and level of say as the manager who has been in the office for 5+ years.
Nobody is saying that and that's not even really possible in this context anyway. LeBron just said the NBA owners do a better job of treating the players as partners in developing the game as opposed to the NFL where the attitude is the players are just the hired help who don't have a stake in the league or the game and are easily disposable.
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 8:45 am
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:44 am to lsupride87
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Yours has been quite fantastic in here
"I know you are but what am I" is your big retort?
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:And the fact you don’t know why is why we are laughing at you and Lebron
Nobody is saying that and that's not even really possible in this context anyway. LeBron just said the NBA owners do a better job of treating the players as partners in developing the game as opposed to the NFL where the attitude is the players are just the hired help who don't have a stake in the league or the game.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:45 am to Draconian Sanctions
I pretty much shut down your stupid point in here already.
Nba owners are “nicer” because they have to be. Each player on a team has far more importance in basketball due to only 5 players on the court at a time compared to 11
The only football position with that importance is QB. And low and behold, they are treated “nicer” by the owner due to that and have far more say in things
I bet Brian Scalabrini didn’t feel like he had much say in things with the owner though.....
We all knew that. It’s common sense. We don’t need an overgrown toddler equating it to fricking slavery for us to understand
Nba owners are “nicer” because they have to be. Each player on a team has far more importance in basketball due to only 5 players on the court at a time compared to 11
The only football position with that importance is QB. And low and behold, they are treated “nicer” by the owner due to that and have far more say in things
I bet Brian Scalabrini didn’t feel like he had much say in things with the owner though.....
We all knew that. It’s common sense. We don’t need an overgrown toddler equating it to fricking slavery for us to understand
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 8:46 am
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:47 am to lsupride87
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Nba owners are “nicer” because they have to be
They don't have to at all. Where else is LeBron going to go to make that kind of money? Even as big as basketball is getting the salaries overseas are not in the same ballpark. MAYBE somehow someway they would come up with it for LeBron but how about Solomon Hill? No fricking way, he makes like quadruple what the highest paid EuroLeague player gets.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:47 am to lepdagod
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Every Sunday, without Todd Gurley and without Odell Beckham Jr., without those players, those guys, there is no football. And it’s the same in the NBA
Sure there would. Football survived when Barry Sanders, Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, etc... retired.
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This is the point getting under most of y’all skin...It’s the one statement y’all can’t refute...because who would want to see a all-white league
You know who football wouldn't survive without? The owners dishing out the paychecks that it takes to operate a NFL team.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:47 am to Bench McElroy
not a bad melt from the second best player ever
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