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LeBron James is only responsible for 1 NBA Finals Defeat

Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:39 pm
Posted by PhillyFan1994
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:39 pm
2007: Led Cavs to Finals at age 22 (Younger than Joe Burrow) with Boobie Gibson as his starting PG and got swept by Big 3 Spurs in their prime.

2011: Played bad and lost to the Mavs in his first year with the Heat (ONLY FINALS DEFEAT LEBRON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR)

2012: Beat Big 3 Thunder for first ring. Won Finals MVP

2013: Beat Big 3 Spurs for Repeat Ring. Won Finals MVP for second time

2014: Lost to Big 3 Spurs + Kawhi in a series where he torched Kawhi on offense but DWade and Bosh were old and hurt. Averaged 28 per game and shot over 50% from the field and from 3.

2015: Went to Finals with Matthew Dellevadova as his starting PG and Timofey Mozgov (Who?) as his second best player. Averaged nearly a 30 point triple double and won two games in the hardest arena to win in Basketball (Oracle) before falling to MVP Steph and Co.

2016: Led Greatest Comeback in NBA Finals History. Led the Finals IN EVERY STAT (Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, Blocks), Beat History's only 73-9 team in 7 games

2017: Lost to the greatest Non-Olympic basketball team of all-time. Kyrie didn't show up until Game 3. Love didn't show up at all. LeBron still averaged a triple double

2018: Lost again to the greatest Non-Olympic team of all time. No Kyrie. Love still a no show. Had 50 in Game 1 but JR Smith was off his meds. Averaged 34 Points 10 assists and 8.5 Rebounds per game. =
Posted by Choot em Tiger
Member since Jan 2012
9776 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:40 pm to
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Played bad and lost to the Mavs which included Dirk, Jason Terry and JJ Barrea while having prime Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10420 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:44 pm to
This is correct.

The Heat should have won in 2011 and LeBron was subpar. The Cavs should have lost in 2016 when LeBron was great.

Every other series, the better team won.
Posted by McCaigBro69
TigerDroppings Premium Member
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:02 pm to
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The Heat should have won in 2011 and LeBron was subpar.


Dirk wasn’t losing to Miami again.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:02 pm to
LeBron is undefeated in the Finals, his teams let him down
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33943 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:04 pm to
Jordan is responsible for zero NBA finals defeats.
Posted by Inadvertent Whistle
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2015
4377 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:05 pm to
Michael Jordan is responsible for each of the following NBA Finals defeats.






Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:07 pm to
What's the point of this thread? Even Lebron fans aren't trying to say that he doesn't deserve responsibility for his Finals losses. He's the best player, he is responsible for all of them.

What's impressive to me is that he did beat historically great teams. I judge a player by his best wins.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 4:12 pm
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
123636 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:07 pm to
This Jordan documentary really has you LeBron fanboys on edge.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:08 pm to
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2015: Went to Finals with Matthew Dellevadova as his starting PG and Timofey Mozgov (Who?) as his second best player. Averaged nearly a 30 point triple double and won two games in the hardest arena to win in Basketball (Oracle) before falling to MVP Steph and Co.


IMO this was more notable than any of his finals wins outside of 2016
Posted by audodger
Member since Jun 2010
7077 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:09 pm to
How many 1st round exits, though? Or do those not count?
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:13 pm to
Or losing seasons? Lebron's had two losing seasons, his rookie year and his first in LA.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38124 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:16 pm to
one thing people aren't talking about is MJ's superior self awareness to go bald before it got too bad.
Posted by GeauxAggie972
Poterbin Residence
Member since Aug 2009
29448 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:16 pm to
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6289 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:21 pm to
Jordan never was able to elevate a team that was not the best to the finals. Ever. 1st rd sweeps galore.



Jordan was responsible for the loss in the ECF in 89. He disappeared in the pivotal game 5. He only scored 18 pts in 46 minutes. (10 pts off free throws) only had 8 attempts in in 46 mins. He quit on his team.

It was similar to when Kobe quit in that Phoenix series that everyone magically forgets when they talk about their killer mentality.


Posted by Inadvertent Whistle
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2015
4377 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:23 pm to
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How many 1st round exits, though? Or do those not count?



Is the thread about 1st round exits or Finals defeats? In this thread, they apparently don't count.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:24 pm to
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This Jordan documentary really has you LeBron fanboys on edge.


Lebron is my favorite non Pel and I've had enough of the Bron vs Jordan talk. There is no legit reason for anyone choosing Lebron over MJ.

- Lebron lost to a Dallas team with Dirk, out of prime Kidd, out of prime Marion, out of prime Chandler, Jason Terry and JJ Barea who is the size of a horse jockey. He straight up didn't show up.

- He was very, very fortunate in 2 of those finals wins. Ray Allen hit one of the all time shots in finals history, otherwise it's another finals loss. Beating GS was great, but lets not forget how fortunate he was that Draymond had the suspension. That completely flipped the series.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 5:15 pm
Posted by Inadvertent Whistle
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2015
4377 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:25 pm to
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It was similar to when Kobe quit in that Phoenix series that everyone magically forgets when they talk about their killer mentality.


I'm not typically a Kobe defender, but I'll submit that he did not quit, but was certainly trying to prove a point. Probably still a bitch move at best.
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
34786 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:25 pm to
That's a shite ton of finals losses
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59695 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:33 pm to
Golden state was not historically great When they played the cavs. That version of the team was a far cry from the one that won 73.
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