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re: LeBron James in the playoffs since being down 3-1
Posted on 5/6/17 at 6:05 pm to dukke v
Posted on 5/6/17 at 6:05 pm to dukke v
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And those Piston teams are WAY better than ANY team Bron has EVER played in the FINALS.............
They were not better than the 73 win Warriors.
You laugh when I said LeBron hasn't had the better team in every series. Do you not remember how shitty that 2007 Cavs roster was? The 2015 Cavs had no one left after Love and Kyrie went down. They were grossly overmatched both times.
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Posted on 5/6/17 at 8:20 pm to lsupride87
Still doesn't change the fact that the east is poop.
This post was edited on 5/6/17 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 5/6/17 at 8:46 pm to VADawg
quote:Of LeBron's 4 finals losses, he's had the better team once (2011 Mavs); that's his biggest blemish. Other than that, he's had a worse team, and in 2014 (Spurs) and 2015 (Warriors), he was the best PLAYER on the court throughout.
You laugh when I said LeBron hasn't had the better team in every series. Do you not remember how shitty that 2007 Cavs roster was? The 2015 Cavs had no one left after Love and Kyrie went down. They were grossly overmatched both times.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 9:51 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:The same can be said about MJ... But YOU wont allow yourself to do it...
Other than that, he's had a worse team, and in 2014 (Spurs) and 2015 (Warriors), he was the best PLAYER on the court throughout.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:17 pm to dukke v
quote:MJ was never on a team that was worse than his opponent in the NBA finals. Maybe some of his opponents were just as good, but they were never an underdog. Of course, like I said, losing to the Mavs and playing poorly (by his standards) is a big blemish on Lebron's career, the only Finals blemish though.
The same can be said about MJ... But YOU wont allow yourself to do it...
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:22 pm to buckeye_vol
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MJ was never on a team that was worse than his opponent in the NBA finals
I have agreed with most everything I've read since you have been posting on the topic, but this isn't exactly true.
That Phoenix Suns team was better in my honest opinion. I also believe that the Seattle SuperSonics were a better overall squad.
Those teams just didn't have the best player on the planet. Very similar to Lebron.
I do believe that Jordan's bulls were underdogs against both, but would have to check. I am almost positive that they were underdogs against the Suns. Suns were bad arse that year with Barkley winning the MVP.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:22 pm to slackster
He's not too bad at the ol round ball.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:55 pm to reo45
quote:It was essentially a toss-up, Chicago had an SRS of 6.19 and Phoenix had had an SRS of 6.27.
That Phoenix Suns team was better in my honest opinion.
quote:You think the Supersonics were better than the 72 win Bulls, MJ's best team--and arguably the greatest team of all time? Chicago had an SRS of 11.80 which was signicantly better than Seattle's (2nd best though) SRS of 7.40.
I also believe that the Seattle SuperSonics were a better overall squad.
quote:They may have been a slight underdog to the Suns, but they were not clearly better. Maybe I should have specified that MJ never had a team that was "clearly worse."
I do believe that Jordan's bulls were underdogs against both, but would have to check. I am almost positive that they were underdogs against the Suns. Suns were bad arse that year with Barkley winning the MVP.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:21 am to buckeye_vol
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but they were not clearly better
I never said they were clearly better, only that they were the favorite. I am certain they were the favorite that year with home-court and a better record during the regular season. It wasn't by much, but they were favored.
Seattle in my opinion was a better overall squad, yes. They had an amazing year themselves and gave Chicago one of their 10 losses and could match-up very well against them. They lost 18 games that year to Chicago's 10 and were pretty even talent wise in my eyes..
Chicago that year totally overshadowed how great of a year and team Seattle was that year. GS lost only 15 this year and Seattle lost 3 more than that in 96'. They were very good.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:38 am to reo45
quote:There is no way Seattle was better than arguably the greatest team of all time--especially with home court.
Seattle in my opinion was a better overall squad, yes. They had an amazing year themselves and gave Chicago one of their 10 losses and could match-up very well against them. They lost 18 games that year to Chicago's 10 and were pretty even talent wise in my eyes..
The Bulls had the #1 offense (offensive rating of 115.2) and #1 defense (defensive rating of 101.8), with a ridiculous net rating of 13.4.
Seattle had a solid net rating of 7.8, significantly lower than the Bulls though.
quote:They were a great team, and they did beat Chicago at home in November by 5. They also lost to Chicago on the road in January by 26 points. Again, 26 points.
They had an amazing year themselves and gave Chicago one of their 10 losses and could match-up very well against them.
quote:Seattle was great, and championship caliber--especially in any other season. But they weren't better than those Bulls, not even close; in fact, they may not he a team in history that was better than those Bulls.
Chicago that year totally overshadowed how great of a year and team Seattle was that year.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:59 am to reo45
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Seattle in my opinion was a better overall squad, yes.
You really are terrible
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:00 am to buckeye_vol
It is just my opinion brother.
Last year I thought Cleveland was better than Golden State and won a little $$ because of it.
I thought New York Giants were better than New England Patriots both times and won $ on the first go round when Patriots were favored by 14 points--took Giants straight up to win.
I thought Cleveland was better than GS two years ago also, but lost Love and Irving.
Just because a team has a better this or that statistically means little to me when it comes to winning a championship.
Now, I wasn't old enough to lose money on Seattle that year though
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Yes, by every measure Chicago was better that year, but in my eyes they weren't so significantly better than the public would have you believe.
Last year I thought Cleveland was better than Golden State and won a little $$ because of it.
I thought New York Giants were better than New England Patriots both times and won $ on the first go round when Patriots were favored by 14 points--took Giants straight up to win.
I thought Cleveland was better than GS two years ago also, but lost Love and Irving.
Just because a team has a better this or that statistically means little to me when it comes to winning a championship.
Now, I wasn't old enough to lose money on Seattle that year though
.. Yes, by every measure Chicago was better that year, but in my eyes they weren't so significantly better than the public would have you believe.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:03 am to MusclesofBrussels
If I am terrible saying that I thought Seattle was better then I must be a genius for winning me and some friends some bank when I placed a small wager to win a larger return when I took the Giants back during the Patriots undefeated year?
Sure, you will just have to take my word for it, but it happened. By all measures patriots were by far the better team, but I didn't think so. I remember how well the Giants played them in the final regular season game and how they matched up against them with their pass rush.
The statistical nerds here is breathtaking.
Sure, you will just have to take my word for it, but it happened. By all measures patriots were by far the better team, but I didn't think so. I remember how well the Giants played them in the final regular season game and how they matched up against them with their pass rush.
The statistical nerds here is breathtaking.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:18 am to reo45
quote:OK? If the Giants and Patriots played a best of 7 series, with home court advantage given to the Patriots, then you would have a point.
If I am terrible saying that I thought Seattle was better then I must be a genius for winning me and some friends some bank when I placed a small wager to win a larger return when I took the Giants back during the Patriots undefeated year?
Sure, you will just have to take my word for it, but it happened. By all measures patriots were by far the better team, but I didn't think so. I remember how well the Giants played them in the final regular season game and how they matched up against them with their pass rush.
The statistical nerds here is breathtaking.
The longer the series, the greater the likelihood that the truly better team will win. In this case, the Bulls had a better record, a larger margin of victory, and despite a 1-1 regular season record with Seattle, that had a +21 point differential.
So with home court, and all that data favoring the Bulls, they were the clear favorite. Winning the series in 6 games, pretty convincingly, only reinforces that.
There is literally not a single piece of evidence to suggest the Bulls were anything but a far better team.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:30 am to buckeye_vol
The only thing you said of any meaning in this post was the one game versus a series.
I took Cleveland last year against Golden State in a 7 game series.
Now, come back.
I would have 2 years ago also if Love had not been hurt.
The rest of what you said is easy to say now that the series is over 20 years over with.
At that time, I had seen both play, and I seriously thought that Seattle was every bit as good. I was a Chicago fan and die hard Jordan fan, but Kemp and Payton were fire that year.
And, that Giants team beating the Patriots?? You kidding me? Damn, Giants had ZERO business winning one game out of 10 against that behemoth. Yet, I laid it down. I thought they were better.
Please stop with the stats. I could careless about the stats.
That Bulls team was not the best of all time. The Celtics and Lakers squads of the 80's would beat the shite out of that Bulls squad.
I took Cleveland last year against Golden State in a 7 game series.
Now, come back.
I would have 2 years ago also if Love had not been hurt.
The rest of what you said is easy to say now that the series is over 20 years over with.
At that time, I had seen both play, and I seriously thought that Seattle was every bit as good. I was a Chicago fan and die hard Jordan fan, but Kemp and Payton were fire that year.
And, that Giants team beating the Patriots?? You kidding me? Damn, Giants had ZERO business winning one game out of 10 against that behemoth. Yet, I laid it down. I thought they were better.
Please stop with the stats. I could careless about the stats.
That Bulls team was not the best of all time. The Celtics and Lakers squads of the 80's would beat the shite out of that Bulls squad.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:30 am to buckeye_vol
the 91 lakers were better than the bulls and that suns team was loaded
the first bulls three peat was amazing. basically just ipjordan and pippen
the first bulls three peat was amazing. basically just ipjordan and pippen
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:36 am to reo45
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Please stop with the stats. I could careless about the stats.
lol
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:39 am to vengeanceofrain
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vengeanceofrain
It is easy to look back knowing that Jordan was the best to every play and downvote and cast a stone at anyone who dares goes against the grain of today.
It also cheapens how great that 3 peat was. Jordan beat Magic in a finals; beat a DAMN good Trailblazers team; and then beat a Suns team that was incredible and every bit as good as Chicago. To hear these cats talk like these teams were shite is cheap.
Jordan was that good and so was Pippen at the time. That Game 6 against Phoenix and how it ended still sticks with me how epic it was. They scored about 9-12 points in that 4th quarter and Phoenix had multiple opportunities to finish them off at the end, yet Chicago pulls off an incredible win. Had Phoenix won Game 7 was all but Phoenix to lose at home.
I remember as a Chicago fan in Game 2 against Seattle how Seattle came this close to pulling it off at the end and it wasn't Jordan that saved the day, but rather Dennis Rodman. Series wasn't easy. Don't cheapen it by saying Lebron has such harder teams he has faced in the finals. Jordan went up against great squads.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:42 am to TotesMcGotes
Bruh he doesn't need stats, he's got his eyes!
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:43 am to TotesMcGotes
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lol
They bore me. Like i'm back in statistics in college doing mean measurements and confidence intervals and shite.
And all these stats are brought up after the fact. Stats say Golden State should roll over Cleveland this year. I will lay down the dollar for Cleveland if they are 100% healthy just like last year. I could careless about stats.
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