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re: Kobe Bryant's clutch gene
Posted on 6/20/13 at 2:05 am to GeauxWarrior12
Posted on 6/20/13 at 2:05 am to GeauxWarrior12
"Clutch gene" is the stupidest fricking term in all of sports
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Posted on 6/20/13 at 2:41 am to GeauxWarrior12
Anyone still saying Kobe is more clutch than Lebron is a troll or moron at this point.
Has Lebron fricked up some late game plays? Hell yes. But EVERYBODY has. From the start of the game until the end Lebron tries to make the smartest basketball play for his team. He constantly reads what's going on and if that means attack in the first quarter then that's what he does. If it's the 4th quarter and he can get his teammates high percentage shots because the way the defense is playing then that's what he does. He NEVER tries to "get his" like Melo and Kobe and still manages to be right there in points with them every year. People who knock him have sad lives.
Has Lebron fricked up some late game plays? Hell yes. But EVERYBODY has. From the start of the game until the end Lebron tries to make the smartest basketball play for his team. He constantly reads what's going on and if that means attack in the first quarter then that's what he does. If it's the 4th quarter and he can get his teammates high percentage shots because the way the defense is playing then that's what he does. He NEVER tries to "get his" like Melo and Kobe and still manages to be right there in points with them every year. People who knock him have sad lives.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 2:41 am to Cap Crunch
Captain did I come at you in the game thread? 
I didn't realize it was you
I didn't realize it was you
Posted on 6/20/13 at 2:50 am to ReauxlTide222
I think you did 
It was moving too fast for me to care
It was moving too fast for me to care
Posted on 6/20/13 at 2:54 am to Cap Crunch
I know it wasn't TOO bad because I hardly get mean or call names but I remember saying something to you before I realized it was you. Us Pels gotta stick together
Posted on 6/20/13 at 6:32 am to GeauxWarrior12
quote:2 reasons:
I hear all the time that Kobe is so clutch I hear that he's an "assassin" the "mamba". He's known for being clutch but why? Kobe has hit 7 game winning or tying shots in the playoffs and has taken 27 of them. That's about 26%. Honestly that's not very good. On the contrary a guy that's considered a choke artist by most Kobe fans, LeBron James , has made 6 playoff game winning or tying while taking a total of 14. That's around 43%. So why does Kobe get labeled "clutch" and LBJ gets labeled "LeChoke"?
1. The media wanted to crown the next great after MJ, and Kobe was that guy. So they propped him up as the uber clutch guy. And fans don't usually do their own research and prefer to piggyback and just repeat what the media tells them.
2. Kobe did it early in his career. There's this weird phenomenon that if you win early, you're a champ for your career. But if you lose early and win late even if you win more late than the guy who won early, it doesn't work the same way.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 6:34 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:Except that virtually every time this exact thing is measure, what you just said is proved to be completely false and usually the opposite actually.
There has been countless times that I've seen Kobe just go off in the 4th quarter and completely put the team on his back and pull them to victory.
LeBron often seems to disappear in the 4th quarter, whereas Kobe seemed to come alive during crunch time
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:05 am to GeauxWarrior12
How many last second shot opportunities has LeBron passed on? And how many of those last second shots that Kobe took, would LeBron have passed on?
This post was edited on 6/20/13 at 7:06 am
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:19 am to LSUSilverfox
quote:You realize that works both ways, right?
How many last second shot opportunities has LeBron passed on? And how many of those last second shots that Kobe took, would LeBron have passed on?
How many last second terrible shots over 3 guys that are low percentage shots does Kobe take that Lebron would have passed to a wide open player with a much better chance of making the shot?
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:23 am to PrimeTime Money
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LeBron often seems to disappear in the 4th quarter
Do you just make this shite up? Often? Really?
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:29 am to GeauxWarrior12
I thought clutch meant taking over the last part of the game with your overall play and will. I've never viewed it as just the last shot.
Kobe is great at the latter and LBJ has gotten better at it vs early on in his career but he still has tendencies to disappear in the final few minutes of games.
Kobe is great at the latter and LBJ has gotten better at it vs early on in his career but he still has tendencies to disappear in the final few minutes of games.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:32 am to stout
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but he still has tendencies to disappear in the final few minutes of games.
I'll assume you lump Tuesday night into this category. So does LBJ not get credit for digging them out of a 10 point hole to start the 4th quarter?
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:45 am to shel311
This thread makes me sad. Clutch is the dumbest concept in American sports. It's always talked about in basketball as making a shot, but players have absolutely no ability to "will" in a jump shot.
Clutch has never been talked about as taking over a game or dominating a game at the end. PGs who create shots for open shooters are never discussed as clutch. Whether the shot goes in or not determines whether the shooter was clutch or not. It's just a stupid concept that's been proliferated by Sportscenter and other highlight shows.
Also, another random note about LeBron game winners, people discount them because they're often lay ups and not jump shots, which Kobe's generally are. People love when players do incredibly difficult things. So game winning threes are more impressive than game winning lay ups. (Though apparently LeBron's game winning 3 vs Orlando doesn't matter because they lost that series)
Clutch has never been talked about as taking over a game or dominating a game at the end. PGs who create shots for open shooters are never discussed as clutch. Whether the shot goes in or not determines whether the shooter was clutch or not. It's just a stupid concept that's been proliferated by Sportscenter and other highlight shows.
Also, another random note about LeBron game winners, people discount them because they're often lay ups and not jump shots, which Kobe's generally are. People love when players do incredibly difficult things. So game winning threes are more impressive than game winning lay ups. (Though apparently LeBron's game winning 3 vs Orlando doesn't matter because they lost that series)
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:53 am to jturn17
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:59 am to DrSteveBrule
quote:
By the time we realized how good he was, he was winning titles.
a lot of ppl - myself included - thought Kobe had serious superstar potential within his first few yrs. the skill, the athleticism, the drive was all there. it just looked like it was gonna take some time and maturity.
I think part of what makes it seem like Kobe's more "clutch" is that in late game situations he always seems to want (and shoot) the ball. clutch is much about the perception of these last minute shooting/ scoring plays (and as someone else alluded to, jump shots primarily). that's not necessarily Lebron's thing.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:12 am to ATLTiger
i dont get why people get so caught up in the lebron vs mj vs kobe debate..why take it so personal? i was a huge mj fan, i an a lebron fan, but u hate kobe bryant. Im not gona sit here and say he sucks just because i dont like him. He is a top player in the nba and a top player in the history of the nba "2nd best shooting guard". Just enjoy both lebron and kobe while we have them.. alot of young guys never watched mj and magic, and once they was gone every year we are searching for the next mj. To the younger guys... you will realize it once lebron and kobe are gone and you too will be searching for the next kobe and lebron.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:19 am to GeauxWarrior12
The most clutch player that I can ever recall is Robert Horry. That guy always came up huge at the end of games in crucial situations.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:19 am to ATLTiger
quote:You're right in that people view clutch based on the perception.
clutch is much about the perception of these last minute shooting/ scoring plays
But if they viewed it based on the reality, they would have differing opinions.
But as was said above, the general idea of clutch is absurd. Guys can't make their jumpers go in with any more success than they could in the 2nd quarter, or else they would do it in the 2nd quarter lol. But some guys definitely perform better in what is defined as clutch situations over large sample sizes, and Lebron has outperformaned Kobe in these.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:20 am to oleyeller
lebron has the highest field goal percentage in the 4th quarter of any superstar since 2000
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:23 am to ReauxlTide222
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Anyone still saying Kobe is more clutch than Lebron is a troll or moron at this point.
quote:
I thought clutch meant taking over the last part of the game with your overall play and will. I've never viewed it as just the last shot. Kobe is great at the latter and LBJ has gotten better at it vs early on in his career but he still has tendencies to disappear in the final few minutes of games.
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