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re: Kirby Smart to Georgia

Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:17 pm to
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:17 pm to
I mean I get the connection. Just not dumping Richt for a guy who's never been an HC.
Posted by BCMCubs
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:18 pm to
I'm no Georgia fan, so I'm unfamiliar with the inner workings so to speak. It would appear however, on the outside that Georgia had a similar problem as LSU. Long-tenured coach, wins a lot of games, recent years has maybe underperformed with the talent he's got.

I would assume that if you are going to fire a guy like Richt, you would want to replace him with another head coach who has been successful, not with a 39 year old with zero head coaching experience.

Obviously, I could be wrong. Smart may end up being a fantastic head coach and take Georgia to higher heights than Richt ever did. I would imagine though that some fans may be thinking "that's who we hired?" Please correct me if I am wrong. I would love to hear a Georgia fan's initial thoughts on the hire.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:20 pm to
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Just not dumping Richt for a guy who's never been an HC.


The whole "He's never been a HC. So we shouldn't hire him" rhetoric is really over played. Bob Stoops & Jimbo were never HC's before landing jobs at major universities. Sometimes you hit and sometimes you miss on coaches.

Now if you want to question how strong of a DC he actually was under Saban for 9 years. That's a fair question imo.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:25 pm to
What I mean is you get rid of a guy who won and won huge for an unproven commodity who was a Cordinator. The last time they did that it was not good.

Richt at least followed Donnan who was the guy who followed the Man.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:27 pm to
Yeah, an established coordinator at an elite program doesn't seem like a huge gamble. It may not work but it's probably not from lack of HC experience.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:32 pm to
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What I mean is you get rid of a guy who won and won huge for an unproven commodity who was a Cordinator. The last time they did that it was not good.



What major HC should they have targeted. Honestly? Because I can't think of any that would have jumped to UGA. So going after an established coordinator in your own conference was a pretty smart move.

Also, some of you have selective memory when it comes to Richt tenure at UGA. As of late, he's had it fairly easy in the SECE and wasn't getting it done. It was time for a different vibe.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:36 pm to
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Muschamp is going to SCe.

as what?
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:37 pm to
Selective memory? Injuries doomed his last 3 runs and as of 3 years ago was in SECCG

You don't go get Smart you go get someone out of conference of you go coordinator or get a up and comer like Babers (who has returned two programs to past ways)
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:39 pm to
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Yeah, an established coordinator at an elite program doesn't seem like a huge gamble. It may not work but it's probably not from lack of HC experience.


All of his DC experience is at Alabama under Saban. Everyone knows Saban is a defensive guy and probably has a big hand in the defense.

If I were considering Smart I would be more confident if he had been a successful head coach, a DC somewhere that didn't have a stud defensive coach as the head coach, or a successful DC at multiple programs.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 9:41 pm
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:51 pm to
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All of his DC experience is at Alabama under Saban. Everyone knows Saban is a defensive guy and probably has a big hand in the defense.


This is a good thing in favor of Kirby, man. He has learned under the best for almost a decade.

quote:


If I were considering Smart I would be more confident if he had been a successful head coach, a DC somewhere that didn't have a stud defensive coach as the head coach, or a successful DC at multiple programs.


I understand your point about being a successful head coach.

But what would it really prove if he was a successful DC at multiple programs? He has already recruited Georgia so much that it is asinine to think that he won't be able to recruit very well as head coach of UGA.

and you can hardly count Saban being his boss as a bad thing, as I already stated.



Who would you have hired?
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 9:54 pm
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:57 pm to
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So they missed on Herman and settled for Muschamp. meh.




If UGA has to settle for Smart, Texas had to settle for Strong, and USC had to settle for Sark/Helton, what makes anyone believe LSU can simply pluck their top choice from anywhere?
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 10:05 pm to
All I am saying is it would be nice to see him perform out from under daddy Saban's wing. He may end up being great and Saban may have been the perfect mentor for him to jump straight to a head coach position at a top program nationally; however, that is a big promotion.

Muschamp didn't do it
McElwain didn't do it
Dooley didn't do it
Fisher didn't do it
Dantonio didn't do it
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 10:06 pm to
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Who would you have hired?



I wouldn't have fired Richt to hire Smart.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 10:10 pm to
LSU has nothing to do with this conversation. I don't think Muschamp is a good hire after the way he handled things at UF. Remove the flukish 11-2 (7-1) from is resume and the guy went 17-19 overall and 10-14 in conference play. I don't really expect him to resolve the issues that USCe has.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 10:14 pm to
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All I am saying is it would be nice to see him perform out from under daddy Saban's wing. He may end up being great and Saban may have been the perfect mentor for him to jump straight to a head coach position at a top program nationally; however, that is a big promotion.

Muschamp didn't do it
McElwain didn't do it
Dooley didn't do it
Fisher didn't do it
Dantonio didn't do it



Yes he did. He went from being under Saban's wing to being a coach in waiting under Bowden. Bob Stoops & Mark Richt were both Coordinators before landing jobs at major universities. I don't really buy the whole "We have to hire a major HC or keep the same coach we have" argument. For some people it works out (Stoops,Richt,Fisher). For others, it does not (Muschamp). But I don't really blame the administration at UGA for wanting to try to breath fresh air into their program.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 10:16 pm to
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Who would you have hired?



Sure as hell wouldn't have traded Richt for Smart
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 10:35 pm to
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LSU has nothing to do with this conversation.


I understand, but it is striking to see top-notch programs make such underwhelming hires. Texas, USC, and UGA are certainly top 10 jobs, yet they've all had to settle for mediocre to bad hires.
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 10:37 pm to
Love the hire from a couple of perspectives

1. Recruiting- We were never bad under Richt, but Kirby is one of, if no the best, recruiters in the country. The staff we will have if the reports are accurate will be quite possibly a goat at that portion of college football

2. New blood- UGA desperately needed something new. Anything. Richt was a good coach he had just grown stale and we needed to shake it up. Well if Smart is the guy we have surely shaken it up. I imagine he may have higher highs than Richt but will almost certainly have lower lows.

Defense- UGA has always been offense lot focused under Richt. I personally think it's time we change that. Great defense generally wins out, now this is contingent on who the OC is.

All in all this hire should allow us to keep most of our recruiting class intact, I've even seen we now lead for some of Bamas biggest recruits, it gives us a new direction, and the players and recruits are blowing up on Twitter with excitement about it. It's a chance for them to apart of something new. Now will it work or not time will tell, but no one can confidently say this is a bad hire just like I can't confidently say it's a home run hire. Richt was an OC when he came to UGA. No one knows. But hopefully a good OC is hired, our class (Eason) stays, and we get UGA to new heights.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 10:40 pm
Posted by Paul Allen
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 10:38 pm to
UGA isn't a top 10 job, bro.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 10:40 pm to
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For some people it works out (Stoops,Richt,Fisher). For others, it does not (Muschamp).


Stoops was a DC for Bill Snyder and Steve Spurrier.

Fisher was the OC for Nick Saban, Les Miles, and Bobby Bowden before taking the FSU head coaching position.

Muschamp was a DC for Nick Saban, Tommy Tubberville, and Mack Brown.

Richt was the only one who didn't really have coordinator experience under multiple regimes before the big jump. I think his experience was a little different under Bowden though.

I just don't see the decision of firing Richt to hire Smart the best decision off of the resume. He may work out; however, I would look to someone with broader coordinator experience or just a proven head coach. That is how I hope LSU handles it when they make their next hire in the future.
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