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re: KD vs LeBron 4th quarter performance in 2017 Finals

Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:51 pm to
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It's fun hating on LeBron, I'm enjoying it myself, but let's stop the "Quitting" narrative. Fatigued does not equal quit


Yea even the haters we admit he is completely gassed by the 3rd quarter bc Lue insist on running and gunning vs Golden State.

Posted by cubsfan5150
Member since Nov 2007
15845 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:00 pm to
Any way to see their actual minutes on the bench, instead of just game minutes?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85470 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:02 pm to
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Yea even the haters we admit he is completely gassed by the 3rd quarter bc Lue insist on running and gunning vs Golden State.


It is pretty incredible how much he still does on his own, despite two teammates who could/should carry some of the load.

LeBron has made 36 FGs to Durant's 37, yet only 8 of LeBron's makes were assisted, compared to 25 for Durant. That is an astronomical number.

Hell, even isolation specialist Kyrie has been assisted on a higher percentage of his makes than LeBron.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:05 pm to
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KD played 5 less minutes last night.

Curry is averaging 5 less minutes.

Draymond is averaging 10 less minutes.

Thompson, 3 less minutes


And actually you have to multiply those numbers by some factor because game minutes don't include dead ball time when you're still on your feet.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
37067 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:08 pm to
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It is pretty incredible how much he still does on his own, despite two teammates who could/should carry some of the load.

It's also incredible all the excuses I'm hearing for the crybaby. When GS lost last year, it was GS losing fair and square despite the Warriors being fatigued, Curry hurt, and a star player getting suspended that initiated the comeback.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:12 pm to
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It's also incredible all the excuses I'm hearing for the crybaby. When GS lost last year, it was GS losing fair and square despite the Warriors being fatigued, Curry hurt, and a star player getting suspended that initiated the comeback.


There's a difference between excuses and reasons.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85470 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:14 pm to
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It's also incredible all the excuses I'm hearing for the crybaby. When GS lost last year, it was GS losing fair and square despite the Warriors being fatigued, Curry hurt, and a star player getting suspended that initiated the comeback.


, what is the excuse? What LeBron is doing in this Finals, despite the 0-3 record, is nothing short of incredible. That is a fact.

Have I ever suggested GS isn't beating Cleveland fair and square?
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
37067 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:15 pm to
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There's a difference between excuses and reasons.

Right. So GS being tired last year was an excuse. Being tired this year is a reason.

Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
37067 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:16 pm to
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What LeBron is doing in this Finals, despite the 0-3 record, is nothing short of incredible.

GS is giving him his and tamping down on his teammates. Lebron can score 50 and keep the rest of the teammates in check for all they care as long as their own team scores more.

This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 3:20 pm
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:18 pm to
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Right. So GS being tired last year was an excuse. Being tired this year is a reason.


I think everyone can agree that the Cavs just don't have the talent to match up with GS this year. Being tired is a symptom of that.
Posted by David Ricky
Hailing From Parts Unknown
Member since Sep 2015
24292 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:29 pm to
jangalang doesn't even understand the basics of the NBA salary cap/CBA. Trying to reason with him is pointless imo
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111237 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:32 pm to
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When GS lost last year, it was GS losing fair and square despite the Warriors being fatigued, Curry hurt, and a star player getting suspended that initiated the comeback.
Which Warriors players played more minutes than LeBron?

Also, not sure you get to use the excuse card for a self inflicted suspension.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111237 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:33 pm to
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So GS being tired last year was an excuse
Why were they more tired than Cleveland?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111237 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:34 pm to
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GS is giving him his and tamping down on his teammates. Lebron can score 50 and keep the rest of the teammates in check for all they care as long as their own team scores more.

I wonder why that is...
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:36 pm to
Has anyone responded with "Look at their minutes" without acknowledging that Lebron sat because his arse was beat, and he was physically exhausted?
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57478 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:38 pm to
Durant > Lebron
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
37067 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:38 pm to
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Why were they more tired than Cleveland?

Because they were gunning for 73 until the end. You remember Curry playing hurt in the finals?
quote:

I wonder why that is

Because getting the other teammates going creates the snowball effect and does the real damage.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 3:44 pm
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
37067 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:40 pm to
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jangalang doesn't even understand the basics of the NBA salary cap/CBA

I understand enough to know that if KD says he wants extend his contract for less, that he's not "probably going to opt out this summer."

Come on, get schooled again.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111237 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:44 pm to
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Because they fined for 73 until the end.
No one averaged more minutes than LeBron, who seemed less fatigued than every player on the court in the final 3 games, despite doing more than every player on the court, so not sure how that opinion works.

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Because getting the other teammates going creates the snowball effect and does the real damage.

Not because there are 4 of the top 20 players in the league?
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82096 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:45 pm to
That's all on Tyronn Lue...

The regular season is, as we clearly saw in the postseason, meaningless to this Cavs team.
I aware they suffered some injuries, but still LeBron should not have played that many minutes in the regular season. There really is no excuse for that.
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