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re: Kareem, Olajuwon, McHale, Duncan..
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:06 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:06 pm to ReauxlTide222
That don’t mean shite dumbass.....
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Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:09 pm to dukke v
The rise of the three point shot is more impactful than any of the rules differences. Players today are just too skilled, too many guys can shoot the 3. The older teams just wouldn’t be able to keep up. Way too many stiffs back then too that would get picked on. Just much smarter basketball being played these days.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:15 pm to NamariTiger
Sometimes I wish there was an alternate league without a 3-pt. line.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:16 pm to Boomshockalocka
You saying Larry Bird was a bad 3 point shooter?????
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:23 pm to dukke v
38% career shooter is very very good, but he only attempted 2 per game. Which makes the impact of his 3 pt shooting very low. heck he could hit 100% of them if he is only taking 2 per game it is not doing a whole lot to help his team win.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:23 pm to Tigerfan56
dibble, dribble, dribble, step back (kick out leg) and shoot a 3. exciting to watch. great pass there Harden.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:25 pm to Boomshockalocka
You are missing the point.... if the rules are the same as they were back then, what do you think would happen.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:25 pm to thegambler
Harden leads the league in assists on the #1 offense in league history. He is the best PG in the league and can dominate a game without even taking a shot. It is what makes him unique. Best scorer in the league. And also the best playmaker in the league. Whatever role his team needs him to play he is the best at it.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:26 pm to dukke v
Not much different. Players today could easily commit hard fouls if they were allowed to get away with it.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:27 pm to NamariTiger
Hakeem is a member at our lifetime gym. Plays basketball several times a week. Dude is mid 50s and walks extremely slow and deliberate. On the court against 18-25 year olds probably still the quickest Simply amazing. Super nice and approachable person. A true star in every respect.
One of a kind skill set in my opinion. Dream shake was unstoppable.
One of a kind skill set in my opinion. Dream shake was unstoppable.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:27 pm to dukke v
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You are missing the point.... if the rules are the same as they were back then, what do you think would happen.
This is the biggest factor the OP leaves out. Post ups were much more efficient back then because of illegal defense. Imagine what Jokic and Embiid would do if teams couldn’t hedge.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:56 pm to Boomshockalocka
Teams today average 112 ppg. Teams in the early 80s averaged 110 ppg. Almost the exact same number of FGA..
The 3 makes a huge difference and the game has changed. But those teams would not be vastly outscored.
The 3 makes a huge difference and the game has changed. But those teams would not be vastly outscored.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 2:01 pm to brmark70816
Pace was higher back then marky. On a per possession basis teams are much more Effiicient nowadays.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 2:01 pm to brmark70816
quote:Now think about that while factoring in illegal defense rules then and now...
Teams today average 112 ppg. Teams in the early 80s averaged 110 ppg. Almost the exact same number of FGA..
Also, looking at per 100 possession team stats for this year compared to 1988, just ballparking but it looks like teams this season are averaging about 5 points per 100 more than 1988.
1. That's a big difference
2. Again, now think about that through the lens of defensive rules then vs now. It's really not close. Teams from the 80s would have zero chance to keep games within 20 points, to be honest.
ETA: Shoulda scrolled down BRef a bit further. ORtg in 1988 was 108. ORtg this season was 112.3. That's a pretty big difference.
This post was edited on 5/26/21 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 5/26/21 at 5:24 pm to NamariTiger
This is what the NBA wants from bigs these days:
So yeah, Kareem and McHale would be dinosaurs.
Duncan would still play. Probably Olajuwon too.
So yeah, Kareem and McHale would be dinosaurs.
Duncan would still play. Probably Olajuwon too.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 5:28 pm to Fus0623
quote:Hakeem would own both them from tipoff.
I would argue guys like Embiid and Jokic are just as skilled as the big’s in the 90’s
Posted on 5/26/21 at 10:08 pm to NamariTiger
those 4 guys are very diff players, especially in the first half of their careers. hakeem took a long time to develop offensively. duncan was polished early on but played beside a hall of famer that gave him a lot of freedom and little defensive demand. McHale wad great but he didnt start much and relied almost exclusively on one move offensively. lew was so ahead of his time and had almost no competition.
the op is heavily dependent on revisionist history mindset. people forget how skilled david robinson was.
the op is heavily dependent on revisionist history mindset. people forget how skilled david robinson was.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 12:35 am to arcalades
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McHale wad great but he didnt start much and relied almost exclusively on one move offensively.
And he played almost exclusively 5 feet from the basket and couldn't move with his ankles.
He was dump it in guy. Larry Bird would be shucking all over the court, getting rebounds, nailing 3s, put backs, passing to his bigs who were basically sedentary. Chief and McHale barely moved.
Larry Bird moved off the ball more than any player today. This idea that Larry Bird just stood at the 3-point line like today's players is absurd.
Most of Bird's points were scored as rebound put backs and midrange jumpers. But he gets misremembered as just some Steph Curry 3-point guy because he owned the 3-point competition.
Larry actually didn't take as many 3s back then as people think. The 3 point line in the 80s was weird...you had like a foot of space in the corners.
Larry was meat and potatoes, underneath the basket, getting the rebounds and making great passes to his bigs.
He wasn't a one trick pony like a lot of stars today and he wasn't just about the 3-point shot like a lot of stars today.
This post was edited on 5/27/21 at 12:38 am
Posted on 5/27/21 at 11:34 am to ReauxlTide222
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Shooting and dribbling are skills. Important skills.
Are some of these bigs doing it too much as the game shifts? Sure. But plenty are really good at it and as time goes on, they will get better and better at both.
I don’t get why some people want to see less skilled bigs.
Big men today are much less skilled as their roles have been reduced to just standing in the corner or setting picks and catching lobs
Kevin Mchale is the definition of a skilled big man.
This post was edited on 5/27/21 at 11:37 am
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