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re: Just Curious BIG 12 future
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:40 pm to JRT25
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:40 pm to JRT25
Big 12 has an advantage by having three open dates a year vs the other conferences. No SEC or PAC 12 team would join the Big 12. Doubtful on Big 10 or ACC, let them get two out of Memphis, Cincinnati, ECU, or CO. State.
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:09 pm to Tiger in NY
quote:
Meh, you know how uneven the money split is in that league? UT does just fine.
Still, the larger the Big 12 pie, the large the uneven split...
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:15 pm to SwatMitchell
If I recall correctly, the Big 12 can submit a waiver requesting that they be able to play a championship game with less than 12 teams. If it was submitted I, personally, would be surprised to see it rejected.
But yeah, I would assume BYU or Houston, and maybe Colorado State would be approached if that's what it ultimately required.
But yeah, I would assume BYU or Houston, and maybe Colorado State would be approached if that's what it ultimately required.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:29 pm to McCaigBro69
I thought they already asked and were re-buffed. If it wasn't the Big 12, then I think that's what happened to the AAC when they asked. Of course, that is a league made up of rejects though.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:34 pm to Tiger in NY
quote:
I thought they already asked and were re-buffed. If it wasn't the Big 12, then I think that's what happened to the AAC when they asked. Of course, that is a league made up of rejects though.
Yeah, I'm not sure on it. I thought I read that they could have filed the waiver but never did. I could be mistaken though.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:48 pm to McCaigBro69
The NCAA rejected the ACC's request to do just that in the early 2000s when they had 11 teams. With greater autonomy, I could definitely see the Power 5 preventing the Big XII from hosting a championship game without having at least 12 teams.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 3:02 pm to JRT25
Don't everyone jump on me at once, at least count to 10 before you bring the heat. But maybe it's time we give the big 12 a call and offer to join along with byu. think about the advantages this would bring for a minute: Texas and OU will always want to play each other, so we would by default be in the opposite division from the 2 other powers. we would year in and year out be the favorite, big dog in our division. Plus, it opens the door to Texas recruiting more than we have ever imagined. Give Less enough cracks at the big 12 championship game and we'll be in the final 4 a hell of a lot more than we'll make it in the SEC. And we won't be at a scheduling disadvantage to bama anymore, but would likely be at a scheduling advantage for a change.
Count to 10, then blast away
Count to 10, then blast away
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 3:07 pm to SwatMitchell
quote:For Texas, they are as interested in the dollar difference between what they make and what their close competitors (particularly in conference) make, as they are in the overall total figure (they are number 1 in revenue as it stands). The money they lose by not having a Big XII team in the playoff is pocket change by their standards.quote:Does no Big12/10 team in the playoff cost UT money? That is what they're considering today...
THIS is was it's all about. If UT wants to expand the BIG12/10, then it will happen. And until UT gets screwed it's not going to happen.
The logical targets would probably be Cincinnati and Memphis, but don't expect the Horns to allow two "commuter" schools in (that's why Louisville got passed over for West Virginia). They probably wouldn't much care for BYU for the same reasons that schools they consider peers (Berkley and Stanford) would veto BYU as a Pac-12 member.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 3:09 pm to Afghanvet
They need to look on the MSB
Posted on 12/8/14 at 3:10 pm to Afghanvet
I don't know of anyone that would want to jump from a power5 to the Big12 right now.
They would have to pick from these teams:
don't pay attention to conference borders
take UAB off completely
Or they will break up and could look like this. It would make more sense for a 4 team playoff too.
WV to ACC
OU and Okst to SEC
KU, KSU and ISU to Big 10
Tex, TCU, Baylor and TT to Pac 12
ND goes full ACC
Four 16 team leagues..except for Big 10 Adding ISU KU and KSU.making 17
Each league divided into 8 team sub divs
Take UF for example
They must play
Ala
Aub
UGA
USC
TEN
VAN
UK
and one constant SEC W team in LSU plus one more rotating SEC W team, plus FSU OOC
then they are mandated to play two midmajors so they can all make some money too.
Each Confererence Champ earns a spot in the playoffs.
They would have to pick from these teams:
don't pay attention to conference borders
take UAB off completely
Or they will break up and could look like this. It would make more sense for a 4 team playoff too.
WV to ACC
OU and Okst to SEC
KU, KSU and ISU to Big 10
Tex, TCU, Baylor and TT to Pac 12
ND goes full ACC
Four 16 team leagues..except for Big 10 Adding ISU KU and KSU.making 17
Each league divided into 8 team sub divs
Take UF for example
They must play
Ala
Aub
UGA
USC
TEN
VAN
UK
and one constant SEC W team in LSU plus one more rotating SEC W team, plus FSU OOC
then they are mandated to play two midmajors so they can all make some money too.
Each Confererence Champ earns a spot in the playoffs.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 3:12 pm to dstone12
dstone12
I would love the Okie schools going into the SEC.
I would love the Okie schools going into the SEC.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 3:16 pm to mtheob17
The bottom tier of the big 12 is also prob worse than every other conference. texas tech, iowa state and kansas were just horrid. Doesnt help that baylor didnt play anyone with a pulse ooc so they had 5 games against really shitty teams.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:26 pm to dgnx6
the bottom of the big 12 is no worse and in fact better than the bottom of most other conference.
the big 12 went 3-0 vs the big 10 this year. iowa st. which couldn't win a single game in the big 12, went on the road and beat a .500 big 10 team Iowa that's going to a bowl game. with the east, we don't have room to talk about weak conferences this year
the big 12 went 3-0 vs the big 10 this year. iowa st. which couldn't win a single game in the big 12, went on the road and beat a .500 big 10 team Iowa that's going to a bowl game. with the east, we don't have room to talk about weak conferences this year
Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:53 pm to Afghanvet
Add Boise State and Colorado State.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:49 pm to LPLG
only way the Big 12 expands is if teams bring in more revenue than they would take. Right now the pot is split 10 ways. If you split it 12 ways, the 2 additional teams better bring enough revenue so the cut for each team doesn't get smaller.
Teams that fits the revenue profile:
BYU - it's like the ND for Mormons. Huge following, right academic fit. Problem is they don't play on Sundays, which is a problem for sports outside of football. BYU could join as a football only member. However, what recruiting base does this add? None.
Cincinati - Not sure if they fit the revenue profile, but I feel like they would. Right academic fit.
UCF - Florida recruiting base, Orlando TV market, decent stadium, decent facilities, big university. All positives. This team has won back to back conference championships in the American.
Teams that I doubt would fit:
Memphis, USF. USF is in tampa, but the state of the program is not as good as UCF. Tampa also cares more about the NFL, while Orlando only has UCF when it comes to football.
Hell No:
Fresno State, Boise State, etc. These teams don't fit the revenue requirement. End of Story.
Teams that fits the revenue profile:
BYU - it's like the ND for Mormons. Huge following, right academic fit. Problem is they don't play on Sundays, which is a problem for sports outside of football. BYU could join as a football only member. However, what recruiting base does this add? None.
Cincinati - Not sure if they fit the revenue profile, but I feel like they would. Right academic fit.
UCF - Florida recruiting base, Orlando TV market, decent stadium, decent facilities, big university. All positives. This team has won back to back conference championships in the American.
Teams that I doubt would fit:
Memphis, USF. USF is in tampa, but the state of the program is not as good as UCF. Tampa also cares more about the NFL, while Orlando only has UCF when it comes to football.
Hell No:
Fresno State, Boise State, etc. These teams don't fit the revenue requirement. End of Story.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 8:42 pm to RogerTempleton
I just don't see an SEC, ACC, Big 10 or Pac 10 team leaving what they have in those strong conferences for the Big 12.
Plus, who wants to put up with UT's shite? They'll go five years and do something egregious, again. They'll threaten to leave to the Pac 12 or Independent.....it will destabilize the conference. OU and Okst have probably internally gone the way of ATM where they don't have to have UT as a big bro act like a bouncer to let them into every bar they want to get into.
I say the Big 12 is in trouble and I agree with Roger that UCF, Houston, BSU, BYU etc won't add anything but take more than they are worth. The Texas schools are myopic while the rest of the conference will be focused on self preservation. ND seems to engaged to the ACC.
Maybe not this year or even 5 years, but they'll get sick of UT (especially if they still suck) and leave for greener pastures. Getting left out will take the luster off the former SWC for good.
Plus, who wants to put up with UT's shite? They'll go five years and do something egregious, again. They'll threaten to leave to the Pac 12 or Independent.....it will destabilize the conference. OU and Okst have probably internally gone the way of ATM where they don't have to have UT as a big bro act like a bouncer to let them into every bar they want to get into.
I say the Big 12 is in trouble and I agree with Roger that UCF, Houston, BSU, BYU etc won't add anything but take more than they are worth. The Texas schools are myopic while the rest of the conference will be focused on self preservation. ND seems to engaged to the ACC.
Maybe not this year or even 5 years, but they'll get sick of UT (especially if they still suck) and leave for greener pastures. Getting left out will take the luster off the former SWC for good.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 8:47 pm to RogerTempleton
Texas is too arrogant to change even after yesterday. Their #1 goal is the path of least resistence. Had Ohio State not pulled out a miracle and all 6 teams not won, the big 12 was very close to getting 2 teams in. That is a risk they will take rather than add 2 teams and reduce thear cut of money. They say the other 4 conferences should change.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:08 pm to aggiegreen
BYU has been getting its arse handed to it in the WCC in all sports not football. BYU and Texas would have a massive ego & culture clash in the same conference and what exactly does Provo, Utah bring outside of Utah?
There were some rumors going around that the Big 12 was considering expanding to include football and non-football schools to the conference. If BYU does join the Big 12 then Gonzaga and another basketball powerhouse might join. Gonzaga is one of the NIKE schools and has very tight relationships with the Big 12 over the last two years. Not saying that will happen but something to keep an eye on if the BYU thing goes forward.
One crazy thing to look at as well is that Texas would like to get into the Louisiana market and as crazy as it sounds Tulane's name could surface again too.
There were some rumors going around that the Big 12 was considering expanding to include football and non-football schools to the conference. If BYU does join the Big 12 then Gonzaga and another basketball powerhouse might join. Gonzaga is one of the NIKE schools and has very tight relationships with the Big 12 over the last two years. Not saying that will happen but something to keep an eye on if the BYU thing goes forward.
One crazy thing to look at as well is that Texas would like to get into the Louisiana market and as crazy as it sounds Tulane's name could surface again too.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:27 pm to Afghanvet
No team in one of the other four conferences wants anything to do with the raging dumpster fire triumvirate of Baylor, Texas, and Kansas.
I'll go ahead and point out the teams that would fit that conference:
American
Central Florida - gives them a Florida presence
Memphis - Closer than West Virginia. Decent basketball
Conference USA
Louisiana Tech - gives them a presence in Louisiana, albeit a limited one
Rice - Better at football than Texas Tech, Kansas, and Iowa State. Instant academic credibility
Mountain West
Colorado State - gives them a presence in Colorado. Decent basketball program.
New Mexico - Still better in football than Kansas or Iowa State. Geographic match
They would have to divide their divisions into East and West with I35 basically as the dividing line.
Big 12 West
Colorado State
Kansas State
Oklahoma
New Mexico
Texas
Texas Tech
Big 12 East
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas
Oklahoma State
TCU
West Virginia
Do what the PAC 12 does with the California schools and have all of the Texas schools play each other every year with the third game rotating between the teams from the other division. Kansas/Kansas State are permanent. Oklahoma/Oklahoma State are permanent. The remainder rotate.
The title game rotates between Kansas City, Dallas, Houston, and Denver.
Boom - instant credibility.
I'll go ahead and point out the teams that would fit that conference:
American
Central Florida - gives them a Florida presence
Memphis - Closer than West Virginia. Decent basketball
Conference USA
Louisiana Tech - gives them a presence in Louisiana, albeit a limited one
Rice - Better at football than Texas Tech, Kansas, and Iowa State. Instant academic credibility
Mountain West
Colorado State - gives them a presence in Colorado. Decent basketball program.
New Mexico - Still better in football than Kansas or Iowa State. Geographic match
They would have to divide their divisions into East and West with I35 basically as the dividing line.
Big 12 West
Colorado State
Kansas State
Oklahoma
New Mexico
Texas
Texas Tech
Big 12 East
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas
Oklahoma State
TCU
West Virginia
Do what the PAC 12 does with the California schools and have all of the Texas schools play each other every year with the third game rotating between the teams from the other division. Kansas/Kansas State are permanent. Oklahoma/Oklahoma State are permanent. The remainder rotate.
The title game rotates between Kansas City, Dallas, Houston, and Denver.
Boom - instant credibility.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:33 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
You leave out UConn and Cincinnati as possibilities for the Big12. Footprint would obviously be an issue, but one has a good football program with a coach that has been in the B12, and the other is the best basketball school in the country at the moment and could probably compete with Kansas an Iowa St in football most years.
Uconn is the only team out there that really controls a top 30 tv market. UCF in Orlando could also claim that, but I don't know how much they actually control viewership there.
Uconn is the only team out there that really controls a top 30 tv market. UCF in Orlando could also claim that, but I don't know how much they actually control viewership there.
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