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Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:42 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Did he not take Eric Snow and Drew Gooden to the Finals
Call me crazy, but I think it's tougher to take THAT 2006 team to the Finals and 4 games away from a title then it was for Magic to win any one of hi titles that when playing with Kareem/Worthy/Byron Scott/AC Green.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:47 pm to WITNESS23
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They also never had the opportunity to. It is SO easy for Jordan to look back and say I would never have teamed up with ____.
hindsight is always 20-20
Yes they did. Jordan could have called up Bird or Magic or Worthy or Ewing or Kareem or Hakeem or Shaq or Isiah and told 2 or three of them that hey we need to go to the same place when our contracts expire and make it easier for ourselves. But he didn't. Why? Because he wasn't a baby back bitch who wanted someone else to win him a title. He wanted to do it in his city for his team with him leading the way.
Even guys like Reggie Miller and Patrick Ewing who didn't win titles had that opportunity and never took it. Why? Because they wanted to prove themselves on their own team while being the clear cut leader of that team in their primes.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:48 pm to TheDarkestNight
So you know for a fact that ALL of those players contracts ended at the same time and they had an opportunity to do this?
Link?
ETA and why not respond to my post saying Jordan was going to leave if he didn't get help?
Link?
ETA and why not respond to my post saying Jordan was going to leave if he didn't get help?
This post was edited on 5/9/12 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:49 pm to TheDarkestNight
quote:Because he had another top 5 NBA player on his team.
But he didn't. Why?
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Even guys like Reggie Miller and Patrick Ewing who didn't win titles had that opportunity and never took it. Why? Because they wanted to prove themselves on their own team while being the clear cut leader of that team in their primes
You play to win as many titles as you can, right? HOw many titles those 2 guys have?
Or, is the idea to win as many titles as you can in the toughest way possible? Is that the way player should do it?
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:57 pm to shel311
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Jordan, Magic, Bird, you name the HOF top 5-10 all time great, not ONE of them ever won a title without another all time great alongside of them.
That's easy: LeBron isn't a top 5-10 all-time great and never will be. He's Pippen, he's a Worthy. He'sa guy that has the mental make-up to play second fiddle. That's how his basketball skillset is made up. If you took away his athleticism which puts him up there with Wilt as being the two most athletic guys to ever play the game of basketball, he'd be a number two guy. That's just the facts. I mean hell his best attribute as a basketball layer is his ability to pass. He' not a great shooter from outside nor can he hit free throws at that high of a percentage. His defense can be elite at times, but that's when guys try to use their athleticism rather than their intelligence and skills to break him down (see Derrick Rose in the 2011 ECF).
And Wilt Chamberlain routinely had to deal with Celtics teams that would have 4-5 Hall of Famers in their starting line-ups just to get to the NBA Finals while all he had was Hal Greer. So don't sit here and act like LeBron had the entire NBA against him during his tenure in Cleveland. If anything, he should have been out recruiting guys to come play with him, but nope, it was all about him and his stats. And this nonsense about him not having a supporting cast is just that, nonsense. Did he play with a bunch of future hall of famers? No, but he had good supporting casts around him that filled needs.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:02 pm to WITNESS23
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So you know for a fact that ALL of those players contracts ended at the same time and they had an opportunity to do this?
No one said that they all had to end at the same time. Hell if only one or two of them ended that would have been fine. Hell only one of those guys I mentioned ever became a free agent and that was Shaq. Why? Because they kept re-upping with their teams before they ever became free agents.
Even if the contracts didn't align, one or two of the guys could have signed a one year extension and then set it all up.
And Jordan was never going to leave. You are speculating that he was going to leave. Players get frustrated all the time. But ultimately, Jordan and Kobe never left. LeBron did. Saying it and doing it are completely different.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:04 pm to TheDarkestNight
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That's easy: LeBron isn't a top 5-10 all-time great and never will be
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:04 pm to Tiger1242
I know Jesus people that love the heat
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:05 pm to TheDarkestNight
Being in CHI and LA =/= CLEVELAND
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:05 pm to WITNESS23
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WITNESS23
You are beyond a delusional fanboy if you think that LeBron will ever approach top 5-10 overall in NBA history. He'll he will barely crack the top 5 of SFs by the time he retires.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:06 pm to WITNESS23
He needs to work on improving that total shooting percentage if he ever wants to get in that range
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:06 pm to Tiger1242
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Oh shut up dude, nobody is sitting there talking about the Sixers or the Celtics not being able to finish.
What seed are the Sixers again?
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:06 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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TulaneTigerFan
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:10 pm to TheDarkestNight
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TheDarkestNight
gamecockalum alter
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:11 pm to TheDarkestNight
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LeBron isn't a top 5-10 all-time great and never will be. He's Pippen, he's a Worthy
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That's just the facts
quote:It was well documented and rumored that he tried and tried to get Bosh to Cleveland and Bosh flatly said no. Ho hum.
If anything, he should have been out recruiting guys to come play with him, but nope, it was all about him and his stats
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And this nonsense about him not having a supporting cast is just that, nonsense. Did he play with a bunch of future hall of famers? No, but he had good supporting casts around him that filled needs.
In Cleveland? LOL.
Name one team that ever won a title with 11 guys that bad.
Go.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:16 pm to shel311
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It was well documented and rumored that he tried and tried to get Bosh to Cleveland and Bosh flatly said no. Ho hum.
bullshite. Rumored =/= Well documented. Besides, the Cavs tried to get him Amare. They had a deal in place that would have gotten them Amare and they would just have to throw in Hickson. They went to LeBron. LeBron said he loved playing with him. Deal is dead. LeBron leaves and Hickson gets traded anyways.
LeBron never cared about Cleveland, only his stats and wallet. He wants to be called the best (and his little fan club abides and does whatever he asks) but he doesn't want to put in the time and work to be the best. He's lazy. Too many of today's players are lazy and don't have that drive and LeBron is at the forefront of that.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:18 pm to TheDarkestNight
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They had a deal in place that would have gotten them Amare and they would just have to throw in Hickson. They went to LeBron. LeBron said he loved playing with him.
I'd love to know where you got this from. You've posted it several times under your various names, and I've never seen that even implied anywhere else.
This post was edited on 5/9/12 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:19 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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He needs to work on improving that total shooting percentage if he ever wants to get in that range
TS%!!!
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