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re: Jack vs Tiger
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:25 pm to Raging Tiger
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:25 pm to Raging Tiger
quote:It only “helps” if his opponents didn’t have it…
All the video review, data collection, and advances in clubs/balls didn’t help Tiger at all?
Ultimately it “hurts” elite players because advances in technology helps make poor shots better. Since elite players hit less poor shots, it’s a net negative for them against the field
If prime tiger or prime Rory had a choice, him and his peers play with modern equipment or 1960s equipment, he would choose 1960s every time
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 1:29 pm
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:29 pm to dblwall
I’m a fan of both and this real simple.. jack is the greatest pro golfer of all time and Tiger is the best golfer of all time.. both are GOATS
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:31 pm to dukke v
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You missed my Point. Jack played in his era and Tiger played in his.the clubs were different for both. And the players in jacks era played with the same clubs. Tigers era played with the same clubs he was using.
I understand your point completely, it’s just incredibly short sighted
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:33 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Not at all. Don’t know much about golf do you.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:38 pm to dukke v
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Not at all. Don’t know much about golf do you.
The change in equipment, specifically the golf ball, has completely changed the game, both how it’s played and the abilities of the greats to separate. The advent of the proV1 literally ended players career, some really good ones. A notable off the top of my head, Justin Leonard. Look at his career before and after the ProV1, it’s quite literally a meteoritic shift. His career for all intents and purposes ended the first week the solid core ball was introduced on Tour.
We can also get into 460cc driver heads and guys like Wyndham Clark who won a major and has been a top 10 player for almost 3 years without hitting the ball on the club face with his driver or kids like Luke Clanton or Gordon Sargent or Aldrich Potgeiter who can hit it nearly 200 ball speed before they ever even turn pro.
But sure Peej, I don’t know anything about golf despite being a 3 handicap and forgetting more about it than you know
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:41 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Absolutely could not be a pro golfer with older equipment.
Wyndham Clark
He plays a freaking “power slice”
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:44 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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But sure Peej, I don’t know anything about golf despite being a 3 handicap and forgetting more about it than you know
Why would this make your opinion any more important than anybody else. Congrats on the handicap though. It's very good.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:46 pm to lsupride87
Modern equipment is much more forgiving than older. You said it. Jack > Tiger.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:49 pm to Raging Tiger
quote:So explain how that helped Tiger get more wins
Modern equipment is much more forgiving than older. You said it
Walk us all through how the change in equipment helped Tiger woods win more This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:51 pm to NussBusDriver
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Why would this make your opinion any more important than anybody else. Congrats on the handicap though. It's very good.
Understanding the game helps your scores, A TON. In the grand scheme of things I’m not very good, but understanding the game and the strategy is a huge part of maximizing your talent. Tiger won an Open Championship without a driver and Zach Johnson won a Masters laying up on every par 5.
Peej doesn’t get off his coach and wants to tell me I don’t know shite about golf. Not only do I watch all the time, understand the data behind the strategy, but I also play it a fair amount and at a decent level. He’s a fricking idiot talking out of his arse, so I used yet another data point to show him.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:54 pm to lsupride87
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So explain how that helped Tiger get more wins Walk us all through how the change in equipment helped Tiger woods win more
Tigers best stretch was just after the roll out of the solid core ball. He was still an absolute flusher, because you had to be to play the wound ball like he did, but was also getting way more ball speed and forgiveness out of the new ball. He had speed and strike before the rest of the world caught up to his physical attributes due to less and less emphasis on precision.
We’ll never see a performance like the US Open at Pebble again in the history of the game, imo
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:00 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
His 2005-2007 run was just as insane as his 2000-2002 run
I don’t think the solid ball played much of a part besides happenstance. A healthy Tiger from 22-35 years old was going to buttfrick everyone regardless of equipment
I don’t think the solid ball played much of a part besides happenstance. A healthy Tiger from 22-35 years old was going to buttfrick everyone regardless of equipment
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:09 pm to dblwall
Tiger is a HGH low life and a cheat but as far as competition Tiger had way more competition than did Jack in his day.
Jack had maybe 15-20 players he had to worry about. Tiger had 40.
Jack had maybe 15-20 players he had to worry about. Tiger had 40.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:11 pm to lsupride87
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If prime tiger or prime Rory had a choice, him and his peers play with modern equipment or 1960s equipment, he would choose 1960s every time
I don’t think they would considering how little room for error the players in the 60’s had.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:12 pm to vidtiger23
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I never understood comparisons like these when golf majors are based on how well you do compared to what competitors did. Why are more comparisons not just solely score by score how good the golfer was?
They changed a significant portion of Augusta to “Tiger proof” it.
Tiger shoots a trillion under on the 6300 courses Jack played.
They didn’t “Jack proof” any courses to my recollection.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:18 pm to Kracka
I'm referring to the technology Tiger had in his prime as opposed to what Jack played with. It's not even close. No old timers were hitting 300 yard drives or using 8 irons 180 out. You're missing the point.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:30 pm to Raging Tiger
quote:And why would having less room for error be a negative thing for Tiger and Rory?
don’t think they would considering how little room for error the players in the 60’s had.
Rory would benefit more than anyone off the tee if they rolled back the equipment the 60s
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:31 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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We kind of felt at the time that would be the last time we saw that kind of play from him. I'd love to get it one more time, but at this point I just don't see how that is possible.
I think he has 1 more run at the Masters with a top 10 finish.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:38 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Yea, that Masters win was one of the most remarkable things i've ever seen. It really felt like going back in time, just how it all unfolded that Sunday. Buddies and I were going bonkers watching.
We kind of felt at the time that would be the last time we saw that kind of play from him. I'd love to get it one more time, but at this point I just don't see how that is possible.
I was 15 at the time, and lived at the golf course. I happen to stay home that day to watch, and will never forget it. I wasn't a huge Nicklaus fan (Watson was my guy), but I've never pulled more for someone than I did for Nicklaus that day. It was truly one of the top moments in sports for me.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:42 pm to ChestRockwell
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Give Jack modern clubs and he is the GOAT.
Give Tiger a bunch of plumbers and firemen to play against at the bottom end of his fields and he would have won more majors as well.
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