re: Isiah Thomas may have failed his physical. Cavs weighing options

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CLE is in the same boat whether it fails compared to if they did nothing, with an unhappy star who wants to be traded. If the deal crumbles, CLE will still trade Kyrie, just to another team

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Not really. Their situation before this trade is worse. There was a slight chance of making it work with Kyrie before, now that's done....and because of that the value they would get in return in another trade won't be good.
They're both screwed if the deal fails, but the impact to Boston is only going to be next year.....which would be the case anyway if IT wasn't going to be playing because of his injury.

Fully unprotected draft picks simply aren't on the market much in today's NBA.

One being available, let alone for a team in the bottom tier of the league, is near unheard of. The only two trades I can think of centering on such a pick in the past 10 years were CP3 to the Clip Show (Wolves pick to NO) and Baron Davis to Cleveland (Clippers pick to Cleveland).


It isn't a sure fire top 5 pick but it is a pick a lot fricking higher than normally ends up on the market given the typical protections on them. And it is light years higher than Cleveland has picked since LeBron returned.


If Cleveland wants a pick that is highly likely to be in the top 5, this is as good as it will get. And pretty much no team can match that in a different Kyrie trade as he likely plays them out of a top 5 pick.

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BOS would be the team taking back Crowder and IT4 who did not actually want to be traded, and one of those guys who we don't know if he'll play at all this season.

If the deal is voided because of legit IT4 injury concerns, I don't even know why we're arguing who is it more detrimental to, it's obviously Boston.

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Like was previously mentioned this only hurts Boston next season. Isaiah then leaves in free agency and the Celtics can still look to trade Crowder. Then Ainge can gladly draft Porter/Bagley/Ayton/Doncic and still have that future Lakers/Kings pick. Celtics are perfectly content with playing the long game.

Cleveland either needs to get a star to entice Lebron to stay or a high draft pick to build around when he leaves. They can call Phoenix or Milwaukee back but Phoenix isn't giving up Booker or their first rounder and Malcolm Brogdon isn't convincing Lebron to stay.

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If we're talking about the trade going through vs not going through, it hurts Boston for another season after in that they would have Kyrie. They're going to lose IT4 for nothing when they could have gotten at least 2 years of Kyrie. That's kind of a big deal.

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The thing is Ainge is happy either way. He's either getting Kyrie for 2+ years or a high Nets pick in a stacked draft. I don't think he really cares about losing Isaiah for nothing because the Celtics would have cap space to go after top free agents and the Nets and Lakers/Kings picks to keep building a foundation for when GSW eventually falls.

Can someone please explain how they think the Nets can even beat other team's B squad with their roster? Teams can only blatantly tank so far. If you take the top 2-3 players off most teams at best, they still are likely better than the Nets. Teams may tank, but these players are playing for their millions.

If I took the 5 BEST players and mashed them into a small ball lineup. If you even tried to create a lineup where guys are playing their position, good luck.

PG - Russell/Whitehead
SG - Lin/Foye
SF - Crabbe/Levert
PF - Carroll/Acy
C - Booker/LOL

This whole damn lineup is playing out of position. They have about 9 SGs on their roster. Their tallest player past Mozgov is 6' 8''. This team is REALLY REALLY BAD.

Nets Roster

Anyone that thinks that roster is finishing 10th in the league this year is off their rocker.

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I don't think that's true. If IT4 is legit hurt, you just lost 1 season of a possible conference title, as well as getting nothing for him in return. I don't think you can say he's happy about that.

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GSW is winning the title this year anyway so a potential conference title doesn't mean as much when you can build a foundation for the future when GSW eventually falls off a cliff. Ainge has already showed he's not willing to commit the max to Isaiah and trading him with one year left on his contract even if healthy wasn't going to get that much in return.

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If GS is winning this year, they're winning next year as well. If that's the line of thinking, then why would Ainge make the trade to begin with?

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Because he doesn't think IT4 is a max player and he believes that Kyrie is and that he can resign him when he opts out after the 2018-2019 season.

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Pretty risky to give up the draft pick solely to see if you can resign Kyrie in 2 years, no?

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I mean maybe. But if he gets 7 years of Kyrie then it's probably worth it. Plus he still has the Lakers/Kings pick and cap space should Kyrie choose to leave.

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And if Kyrie leaves, you get nothing for that Nets pick.

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We'd still have Hayward, Tatum and Brown plus the Lakers/Kings pick which should end up being a pretty high pick, multiple 2019 first rounders and cap space to go after a max free agent. Forgive me but I don't really see how the Celtics would be in that bad of a position. Ainge has put the team in a great position for the future regardless of the outcome of this deal.

Just has this happy thought.
Goldies trade a backup point, mcgaw, take nets pick and eat thomas salary while he heals.
Next year goldies add star of decade with nets pick. Lol lol lol.
Aaaah.