re: Is Matt Ryan a Hall of Fame quarterback?

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You’re either first team All-Pro or you’re not an All-Pro at all. This isn’t like CFB where they do first and second team All-Americans.

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uhhh it's exactly like that, because if your argument were true second-team All Pro wouldn't exist at all

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Ryan’s career numbers are like 99% of Brees career numbers and he has a MVP and Brees doesn’t.

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I realize you are legitimately retarded but Ryan won't crack the top 5 in many categories Brees is going to retire leading

Most outlets don’t even do a second team All-Pro. The outlet that is the most universally recognized one - the AP All-Pro team - only has first team spots.

Either way, dude was wrong. You can’t say Brees has 5 and Ryan only has one when you count Brees’s second team All-Pros but not Ryan’s.

Not even remotely close to the best QB of his division much less his era much less of all time.

Absolutely no.

If we’re acknowledging just first team All-Pros then it’s 1-1. If we’re acknowledging 2nd team all-pros, then it’s 5-3 with the 5 having 7 extra seasons.

And you’re ignoring Ryan’s MVP. You can debate whether or not Brees should have won one or not, but the fact is Ryan has won one and Brees hasn’t (and won’t). Like I said only one MVP QB in the last 35 years has won one and didn’t make it and Ryan has had a significantly better career compared to his peers than that QB had compared to his.

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If we’re acknowledging just first team All-Pros then it’s 1-1. If we’re acknowledging 2nd team all-pros, then it’s 5-3 with the 5 having 7 extra seasons

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There’s only 3 official selectors for the All Pro teams. Based off of that, Ryan has no 2nd team selections.

I think Ryan has a shot at the HoF but I think he needs to do a little more. You trying to act Ryan and Brees are looked at the same is ridiculous. Whether you like it or not, Brees not Ryan, has been looked at as being a top tier QB for most of his time here.

And lol at that 35 years. Because if you go before that, you’ll find even more QBs that won MVP with no HOF bust. But looking at just 35 years, there’s 3 not 1.

Also like it or not, SBs mean a lot and that 28-3 is going to be remembered.

Name the 3 then.

You have a second one in Gannon, but he started less than 9 seasons worth of games so he wasn’t getting in no matter what. Who else?

Matt Ryan didn’t give up those points in that comeback and no football fans have clung to that game like Saints fans. That was arguably the biggest win in your franchise’s history. Without that, you would have nothing on the Falcons.

And Brees is looked at more favorably on here than pretty much every other sports board. He’s considered one of the best of his generation but safely outside of the top 10 in all time quarterbacks. Most of the respect he was getting is from fantasy football football fans from 08-15 for putting up those garbage time numbers.

The majority of y’all need to get out of the Saints Talk bubble and you may actually learn something.

But anyways, if Matt Ryan retired at the end of the season, he would be 50/50 for the hall. In 3 years with another 12,000 yards and 70-90 tds, he’s a slam dunk. The OP knew this before he even started the thread, hell anyone with a lick of sense knew this.

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First 12 seasons of their careers

Brees - 45,919 yards, 324 tds and 94.3 QB Rating.

Ryan - 49,966 yards, 315 tds and a 94.7 QB rating.

But yeah Ryan is SOOOOOOO far behind him yards and tds.

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Ryan's going to be 35 shortly and if you think in the 4-5 years he has left he's going to throw the 200+ TDs it would take to pass Brees you are indeed as dumb as your posts seem to indicate